thebigabd
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8, lol.
Boren to decide OU's conference fate within 3 weeks
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8, lol.
Please. There are only 3 states with a top 100 recruiting list. Texas, Florida and California.
The pac-16 will have two of those markets cornered let alone OU getting in the act on Arizona at the expense of Nebraska and strengthening the Las Vegas pipeline Stoops has already opened.
California has the most NFL players of any state.
PROOF
The pac-16 will have two of those markets cornered let alone OU getting in the act on Arizona at the expense of Nebraska and strengthening the Las Vegas pipeline Stoops has already opened.
California has the most NFL players of any state.
PROOF
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Is that a joke or do you actually believe Tulsa is a great academic institution. Not many people outside the state of Oklahoma share this opinion. It is not an Ivy League school by any stretch of the imagination. Quite frankly, I would argue that TU graduates are stupid because they could have gone to OU or OSU and gotten an equivalent degree for much less money. If you are going to pay outrageous tuition you should probably pay for a school that actually has national name recognition. Tulsa doesn't and it never will.
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Do you actually believe that the SEC and the states in the SEC have genetically superior people in them? Perhaps (and this is just a guess) the current perception is that the SEC is the best. Therefore, the people making these lists over hype kids in the SEC region to justify their belief that the SEC is the best.
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You've been spewing the same stupid stuff about TU for darn near 10 years now.
You may be wrong, but at least you are consistently wrong.
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I think that case could be made. And if I have to explain "why", you aren't nearly as smart as you think you are.
And those rankings are done by people all over the country. Any bias for the SEC should be negated by a bias by some dude in California.
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And if OU and UT went to the SEC, then the SEC would have two of those markets. UT is in the Big 12, so currently, the SEC has the better recruiting base. And I could argue Florida/Bama/Georgia/LA > Texas/Cali. But you can already see that based on the link you provided, if you want to use NFL players as the gauge.
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This is a ridiculously ignorant statement. TU has several programs that have a great academic reputation. They have a highly rated business school, native american law program and literature department (which boasts the second largest James Joyce collection in the WORLD and one of the preeminent Joyce scholars in the country).
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See boksooner's penultimate response. He already answered for me.
LOL. Okay.
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Another thing that I missed, is that the Pac-12 shares huge federal research grants that OU would qualify for, if they joined the conference. This would especially apply to the few areas of study that OU has reached Tier 1 research status.
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I think your theorization has a point, I just don't agree with ESPN being the source to validate your theory. ESPN's recruiting rankings have been criticized in the past for focusing too much in Florida, and not enough in Texas and California. Besides, maybe this year is an anomaly, but I strongly doubt that Florida has substantially more prospects in the Top 100 than California and Texas combined. Florida definitely has a pipeline, but I doubt it is much greater than two equally viable pipelines like California and Texas.
Nevertheless, even though you do have a fair opinion that the SEC does produce better athletes, the SEC is more of a "saturated market" so to speak, as opposed to the schools in California. In the SEC you have states that care more about their program and have currently stronger infrastructures (LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, etc). Whereas in California those components are not as prevalent nor influential (USC and Stanford are close, but both precarious situations in their own right). Therefore, I think Stoops would have a better chance grabbing more recruits out in California, than in the SEC areas.
I think the way this whole conference change situation can be summarized for a lot of people here is that there are two parallel things going on: there's an athletic re-alignment and a University academic realignment. Now there's great arguments on many sides for moving to Pac-12 being awesome or being horrible for the former, and that's fine. But for the latter and more important situation (this is a University after all) there is I don't believe a convincing argument to not shift to the Pac-12 (one could make an argument for the BIG (10) being another great option in this regard but that doesn't seem to be in the cards).
And aside from the tangible effects of academic association on a University, being not just on the radar but in the HOMES of people in a completely different part of the country will only attract more people to look at the University of Oklahoma as a potential place to come to study. People talk about how the football program's resurgence post-99 markedly increased enrollment and donations both within the state of Oklahoma and nationwide (and this has been documented)...imagine the exposure the SCHOOL gets from being introduced to a whole other part of the country (and I believe this would be a unique advantage over the SEC, as the southeast is geographically and somewhat culturally/historically (save perhaps California in some respects) already fairly aware of Oklahoma.
Anyway, mileage will vary! Just the way I'm looking at things in this situation.
And aside from the tangible effects of academic association on a University, being not just on the radar but in the HOMES of people in a completely different part of the country will only attract more people to look at the University of Oklahoma as a potential place to come to study. People talk about how the football program's resurgence post-99 markedly increased enrollment and donations both within the state of Oklahoma and nationwide (and this has been documented)...imagine the exposure the SCHOOL gets from being introduced to a whole other part of the country (and I believe this would be a unique advantage over the SEC, as the southeast is geographically and somewhat culturally/historically (save perhaps California in some respects) already fairly aware of Oklahoma.
Anyway, mileage will vary! Just the way I'm looking at things in this situation.
Your argument is very flawed in the fact that you are ceding Florida to the SEC. Ever heard of Miami and FSU?
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Well said.
You are correct! Our football program, along with other athletic programs are pretty much going to be strong wherever we go, but it behooves not only The University of Oklahoma but the State of Oklahoma, as well, to be aligned with the best institutions of higher learning and also opening ourselves to new, large markets. Oklahoma has a pocket of Oklahomans in California from past years (dust bowl). We're now seeing a little 'reverse' migration from California to Oklahoma City, in particular, due to the cost of living and more jobs available here. It can only help OU and thus the State of Oklahoma to open a larger pipeline of athletes and students to California and the west coast. I believe David Boren sees this as well. And as much as he's looking out for OU, he's also looking out for the state as well (i.e. osu).
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Many Sooner sports fans may not know - or care - about this, but OU has the only School of Musical Theatre within a public university in the country. Just another thing that gives us something in common with the PAC 12.
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http://www.utulsa.edu/about-TU/news...iversityNews/2011/September/tu-ranked-75.aspx
I don't want to hear another word from you about TU's not being a good school. Read the article, learn something, and keep your mouth shut about the crap you've been spewing for nearly a decade.
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You want a top private academic school then go to one of these private schools:
Harvard, Yale, Pinceton, Penn, Cornell, Columbia, Brown, Dartmouth, Stanford, Duke, Northwestern, MIT and a few others that don't include Tulsa. Tulsa isn't special. Nobody outside of Oklahoma cares about Tulsa.
You want a top public school go to: Michigan, UCLA, Cal, Washington, North Carolina, Virginia, the military academies and a few others. Tulsa isn't better than those schools either. Please note that I did not include Oklahoma on the list. I do believe OU is a substantially better school than Tulsa but that is just my opinion. The rest of the country really has no opinion on the issue.
You want value for your dollar in the State of Oklahoma go to OU or OSU. Going to Tulsa is a sign of poor decision making. It is illogical to pay the increased tuition at Tulsa, TCU, Baylor, Denver, and most other private schools because they simply are not any better than the public schools available at a fraction of the cost. Now the tuition is probably well spent at an Ivy League School or one of those other schools I mentioned. If you get a degree from Harvard, virtually every educated person you meet will be impressed. If you get a degree from Tulsa people won't know a darn thing about it or really care one way or another. It simply isn't an elite school.
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