Single season....it's Griffin. I wouldn't take curry that year over Griffin, I'm not taking Hield over Griffin. Griffin got screwed by the committee bc they put him in the same region as Hansbrough bc they wanted to see that matchup or we would have made the final four that year to. Not even Hansbrough could shut him down.
Buddy or Wayman?
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It's still puzzling why OU never got past an Elite 8 with Wayman and he had some good players, McCalister etc with him.
Blake had 1 real good guard with him his Soph year and had an exceptional seaon.
Buddy had some good role players and he seems to be able to carry the team on his shoulders. If you were at the game today vs The Ducks, he just made your head spin with some of his plays. He probably moves better without the ball than any player in OU history. Seen all 3 play and have to go Wayman, Buddy, Blake. IF Blake had stayed at least 1 more year that list might have changed but no gripes on him taking the money and running. Waymon did it after 3 years also.
I feel honored that Buddy signed an OU shirt that had Waymon's signature on it from his OU days.
Blake had 1 real good guard with him his Soph year and had an exceptional seaon.
Buddy had some good role players and he seems to be able to carry the team on his shoulders. If you were at the game today vs The Ducks, he just made your head spin with some of his plays. He probably moves better without the ball than any player in OU history. Seen all 3 play and have to go Wayman, Buddy, Blake. IF Blake had stayed at least 1 more year that list might have changed but no gripes on him taking the money and running. Waymon did it after 3 years also.
I feel honored that Buddy signed an OU shirt that had Waymon's signature on it from his OU days.
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That's a great souvenir. I'm jealous.
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Those Tubbs teams didn't play much defense. If they played defense like the 88 team played they probably make the final 4.
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With respect: No. Wayman was the best. Clear-cut. I place Buddy second over Blake, and that's not a knock on Blake, but Buddy stayed for four years and he has out-achieved Blake. Both will have been players of the year, but Buddy took his team to a Final Four.
Blake chased the money, which I don't hold against him, but it factors in during any Mt. Rushmore type discussions.
Buddy is a clear-cut #2. I'd place Adams third, and Blake fourth.
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Wayman was on another level in college.
The fact that he played twice as long may give him an edge in terms of career, but it doesn't make him a better player. We're Final 4 this year, but that doesn't trump everything else. The NCAA tournament is a crapshoot most years, and we had disappointing exits in all three previous years (Big XII tournament as well). 1/8 doesn't look so great unless you're caught up in the moment.
There's absolutely no way that our best player ever played four years here and didn't come away with a single Big XII title (regular season OR conference tournament). That's some OSU-football stuff.
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You're making no sense. Nothing you've posted above is an argument in favor of your guy, Blake Griffin. Blake lost in the second round and the Elite Eight of the NCAA and he never won a conference title or tourney, so he's got nothing on Buddy there.
But Buddy will have a national Player of the Year award, just like Blake, and two Big 12 POY, plus a Sweet 16 and a Final Four. He's simply had a better collegiate career, in large part because he stuck around.
But you seem to have misunderstood me: I stated quite clearly that I consider Wayman our best player ever, and he was. By a wide margin. One could argue either Adams or Buddy second and third. Blake comes in fourth, if that. One could argue King or Blalock should be ranked above him.
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That era of basketball was pretty crazy good too.
Yes. A very poorly constructed case, he made.
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+1.
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Buddy Hield is a part of what Wayman Tisdale made possible at Oklahoma. the fact that Wayman "never made the Final Four"....he was one basket away....i don't think that's the criterion.
they both appear to be tremendous human beings who are also good at basketball....is about all i need.
they both appear to be tremendous human beings who are also good at basketball....is about all i need.
The question of this thread is Wayman vs Buddy, and I didn't want to completely hijack it and make this Blake vs Buddy. While I absolutely disagree with anybody trying to say Buddy is better than Blake, and I've included Blake to illustrate the point, my argument is ultimately supposed to say that Buddy is NOT our all-time best player. Ultimately, two arguments are being made, and they're bleeding together, so the confusion is understandable, and probably largely my fault.
As for Blake not winning conference, I'm sure you're aware of the difference between two years and four. Additionally, I'm also sure you're aware that OU was undefeated in conference play, and 25-1 overall, when Blake got near-criminally attacked at Texas. OU dropped 4 of it's last 6 before the NCAA tournament, but OU was the best team in the conference, and Blake's concussion was the only thing that kept that team from the crown. Kansas clear-cut beat us out this year, and there's no argument to be made.
When Buddy is hot, he's tough to beat, but he's not always hot. He'd never be able to lead a team to a 25-1 record the way Blake did, because he's not dominant night in and night out of the same caliber. I'm talking best player in terms of their peaks, not a long a history of above average, so I'm willing to overlook Buddy's piss-poor Big XII and NCAA tournaments prior to this year. His game against WVU this year was piss-poor, though, and he had poor performances in many of our losses this year. 1-8 against WVU, 5-15 against KU, 6-16 against Tech. Blake didn't have those kinds of nights.
When Blake's team lost, he still had great games. I'm looking at stats right now, and Blake's worst performance in a loss was against Arkansas when he went 8-15 with 21 points and 13 boards. Of his 34 or so games, I think he only shot below 60% 9 times, and had less than 10 rebounds in 4 games (all of which were wins anyway).
As good as Buddy has been this NCAA tourney, Blake's was better. He shot 70% or better in every game, and had at least 13 boards in all of them. Blake physically dominated everyone who stood in his path, and even Hansborough didn't stand a chance.
I posted something about this earlier in the week and it is even more solid now, which is the Mt Rushmore of OU hoops. Three faces are now no brainers on the mountain IMO and that is Tisdale, Griffin, and Hield. The fourth face is up for debate but I don't think the others I listed are up for debate.
I don't think there will be much debate. If there was a poll, the overwhelming 4 chosen would be Wayman Tisdale, Buddy Hield, Alvan Adams and Blake Griffin. It wouldn't be unanimous, but there is no close second place with this. You'll have a few that won't pick Blake because they don't like him or a few that won't go with Adams because they never saw him play...but for most OU fans, those are your 4 guys.
The two best Big 8 / Big XII players I have seen in my 40 or so years as an OU fan are Wayman Tisdale and Danny Manning. Everyone else is playing for third place.
I'm not old enough to have seen Adams play but I understand what he did for the program. In that regard he he deserves to be on the mountain. In regards to accomplishment on the level of being an All American, Big 8/12 POTY, and runs in the tourney there are some other names that deserve mention including King and Price.
