CBS Top 100 players

Pokes in with two in the Top 25 players, Smart [quick look so I could be wrong] #2 freshman on the list with Nash at #24. Surprised OU didn't get a single player on the list, but a list is just that, a list.
 
luckyc1423 said:
why should anyone respect mbaye? He hasnt even played a big 12 game yet and he wasnt that impressive at wyoming. I for one am waiting until I see him play a game and not base everything off of camps and practice.

He might be a stud, but I am not sure how anyone can determine this from practice and camps.
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Because Blake Griffin said so...JK. I think that when you just hear something repeated by everyone who watches him play, as an OU fan you just want to believe that he can come in and meet expectations. Osby didn't do much at MSU, but he certainly lived up to the billing. But I see your point.
 
Mr.B!!! said:
Pokes in with two in the Top 25 players, Smart [quick look so I could be wrong] #2 freshman on the list with Nash at #24. Surprised OU didn't get a single player on the list, but a list is just that, a list.
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agreed.
 
Mr.B!!! said:
Because Blake Griffin said so...JK. I think that when you just hear something repeated by everyone who watches him play, as an OU fan you just want to believe that he can come in and meet expectations. Osby didn't do much at MSU, but he certainly lived up to the billing. But I see your point.
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I agree, im a huge ou fan but I just hope we arent putting to much pressure on this kid. He was average at wyoming, hasnt played a single basketball game in nearly two years, and we are saying we hope he isnt 1 and done.

Thats alot of pressure.

Right, everyone is saying he is great. But most people are basing this off of what they are seeing in practice against fellow OU players. Well im sure he will look like a stud against kids that had a tough time competing at the big 12 level last year. And some guys are much better practice players than game players. Hopefully thats not Mbaye. But for anyone to say he is a pro player at this point is silly. Lets see how he competes in games and go from there.
 
luckyc1423 said:
he wasnt that impressive at wyoming.
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Twelve points and six rebounds per game is pretty impressive for a sophomore, actually. I'm not saying it makes him all-world, but it's nothing to sneeze at.

And there's been talk in non-OU circles that he might be a one-year player and leave for the NBA.

That's just hype, you might say, but what purpose would those observers have in hyping him?

What's more, Smart hasn't played a second of college ball yet, and he's on the list. Why not squawk about that?

My point being, it's all conjecture at this point in time. But your skepticism has been duly noted.
 
luckyc1423 said:
Right, everyone is saying he is great. But most people are basing this off of what they are seeing in practice against fellow OU players. Well im sure he will look like a stud against kids that had a tough time competing at the big 12 level last year. And some guys are much better practice players than game players. Hopefully thats not Mbaye. But for anyone to say he is a pro player at this point is silly. Lets see how he competes in games and go from there.
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I don't know that I believe OU's starters had trouble competing in the Big XII. There were several games where OU competed strongly for half the game, including against KU. Personally, I think it was a lack of a bench that crushed OU. Carl Blair and Tyler Neal are not a bench. Neal is a descent bench player (but not a 6th man of the year contender) and Blair is a guy that can play 5-10 minutes as a backup point but he is not a 2 or 3 by any stretch of the imagination. Blair was simply adequate as a backup pg. He was not a lock down defender. He was not great with the ball. He did not have a great shot. He was simply capable of playing a few minutes and hopefully not costing his team the game.
 
luckyc1423 said:
why should anyone respect mbaye? He hasnt even played a big 12 game yet and he wasnt that impressive at wyoming. I for one am waiting until I see him play a game and not base everything off of camps and practice.

He might be a stud, but I am not sure how anyone can determine this from practice and camps.
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You are right in a way. I don't know how good he will be relative to players on the good teams OU will run into. But, I know two things. He is the best player on OU's team. And that bar is pretty low.

So, there is no evidence that he is a top 100 player. But, the evidence is pretty compelling that he is alot better than a bunch of guys that aren't top 100 players either.

I'm pretty high on M'Baye. But, I'm not in the one and done camp until I see how he stacks up against the opposition. My personal opinion is that he will prove out to be as good as the players typically found on good teams. And Osby will likely prove out to be as good as most of the players on good teams.

Unless one or two of the freshmen step up, we will be outgunned some by the top 25 type teams at the other positions. But, they will be well coached and much improved over last season.
 
skyvue said:
Twelve points and six rebounds per game is pretty impressive for a sophomore, actually. I'm not saying it makes him all-world, but it's nothing to sneeze at.

And there's been talk in non-OU circles that he might be a one-year player and leave for the NBA.

That's just hype, you might say, but what purpose would those observers have in hyping him?

What's more, Smart hasn't played a second of college ball yet, and he's on the list. Why not squawk about that?

My point being, it's all conjecture at this point in time. But your skepticism has been duly noted.
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Im not a skeptic at all. I really have no opinion on how well he will do simply because the only times I have seen him play is highlight videos. He does look impressive, he is highly athletic and has a ton of potential.
I truly hope he is good enough to be one and done because he will make us a much better team if so.

Smart, and all the other guys that havent played a college game your right the same could be said for them. Its hard to determine how well someone will do until they actual play in their tough conference games.

Ultimately a list like this, an espn commentators talk, and someone on this forum typing something up is ultimately just an opinion. I would tend to believe some opinions on this forum then some of the espn commentators simply because people on this forum follow OU hoops much closer.

Im not sure who is hyping him outside of the ou circle (i know there are people hyping him I just dont know who). But guys like espn commentators get paid to talk about up and coming athletes and to hype up these kids. It makes for fun and exciting television/radio.

I love the hype, it gets me excited to see him play. Its the same way with highschool recruiting rankings. As much as I dissliked capel I loved the hype. He brought in high level prospects and the hype was huge which made it fun. Of course once we realized we still sucked it wasnt fun anymore but I was excited going into almost every season with capel because of the hype of the players.
 
luckyc1423 said:
Im not sure who is hyping him outside of the ou circle (i know there are people hyping him I just dont know who). But guys like espn commentators get paid to talk about up and coming athletes and to hype up these kids. It makes for fun and exciting television/radio.

I love the hype, it gets me excited to see him play. Its the same way with highschool recruiting rankings. As much as I dissliked capel I loved the hype. He brought in high level prospects and the hype was huge which made it fun. Of course once we realized we still sucked it wasnt fun anymore but I was excited going into almost every season with capel because of the hype of the players.
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He got quite a bit of talk during a camp this summer, I think Dave Goodman. Fran Frashila [sp] had quite a few good things to say as well. That being said, I think that the most credible source is CLK, he just doesn't strike me as a guy that just talks to talk. Hey, I agree with you that until it's being done on the floor that it is hype and I could see him not being on this list, but then you'd have to exclude a bunch of other guys as well. 12 and 6 playing D-I hoops as a sophomore is a better resume than any freshman on that list. FWIW, I'd be happy if the guy was good for 12 and 6 at OU, not thrilled, but happy.
 
I think Smart and McLemore are too high on this list. M'Baye deserves consideration but I can understand why he doesn't make these lists in much the same way no one knew about Ekpe Udoh for Baylor except those who followed the program closely. Pledger is a glaring omission. There are a handful of guys I think could have been on this list that were not besides Pledger.

Jordan Henriquez- KSU
Will Clyburn- ISU
Sheldon McClellan- Texas
Jordan Tolbert- Texas Tech
Brady Heslip- Baylor
Romero Osby- OU
Deniz Kilicli- WVU
Markel Brown- OSU
 
Mr.B!!! said:
Pokes in with two in the Top 25 players, Smart [quick look so I could be wrong] #2 freshman on the list with Nash at #24. Surprised OU didn't get a single player on the list, but a list is just that, a list.
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#3 frosh
 
OSUFan said:
I dont think its THAT clear. Nash did avg 15 a game in conference as a freshman and WILL get drafted this spring. Most likely a first rounder
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I think its close, but Osby has been at this for three more years. That being said, this list made numerous mentions about being a "college" list, and not an NBA draft analysis. So if you have one guy that is in the Top 25 and one that isn't even mentioned that have relatively similar numbers, it is a bit odd. I'd say that Osby and Pledger deserved some consideration, but when i get around to making my own mostly uninformed and subjective list I'll correct the oversight. Either way, if OU had two players in the Top 25 I'd be real excited, so kudos to the Pokes.
 
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