GAME 20 - OKLAHOMA (15-4) @ TEXAS A&M (15-5) 8:00pm CST on SEC NETWORK

i could see blair sticking if he is coming to play baseball at OU still ..

and the big guys .. if Humprey is retained .. they could stick ..
If I’m a big guy, I’m running, not walking, to get away from OU. This staff has produced four years of the worst collection of bigs in the Big 12 and SEC. It’s amazing anyone would want to come here, so signing them in the first place was a small miracle.
 
Rebounding is literally all about positioning and effort. Im not very tall and I still used to be able to rebound with guys way bigger than me in pickup because I could seal off an entire side of the basket on the shot. Half the time I’d get a rebound after it bounced because I’d created that much space for myself. I understand college ball and pickup are not the same, but the point stands. Why do you believe Forsythe was our leading rebounder?

Arguably the greatest rebounder in NBA history (Rodman) was 6’7. It is honestly one of the biggest statistical indicators of effort within a game that you can find. It’s why Godwin has been able to make a name for himself as a rebounder before this season even though he is a much lesser athlete than most of the bigs he plays against. It is a massive indictment of our team that we just got out rebounded worse than any OU team since the 92-93 season last night. It’s flat out embarrassing.

I’ve tried to support Moser for as long as I could, but I think it’s becoming evident that it is not working out in Norman. Probably best for everyone involved to part ways at the end of the year.
 
Yep, I have been harder on Dayton than anyone, but you can easily see his effort when he rebounds. He is small and less athletic than the other 9 guys on the floor more often than not, but he wants the ball and attacks it. Even the announcers pointed it out on two or three of his boards.
This is something I won't let you have. I have been the king of wasted schollie cryers on this one. I will let you have all your other negativity but not this one. He's mine.
 
Was it effort, though? It certainly didn't look like it. Guys were out of place for many of those rebounds because they came off the rim funny - or didn't even hit the rim. They were fighting for position and getting beat. I don't see that as much as of effort as just getting beat.
 
If I’m a big guy, I’m running, not walking, to get away from OU. This staff has produced four years of the worst collection of bigs in the Big 12 and SEC. It’s amazing anyone would want to come here, so signing them in the first place was a small miracle.
Jalon has progressed quite nicely imo. He's not a traditional big and has been forced to play the 4...although not sure he's really a 3 either. He's a tweener, and they may hurt him at the next level. I hope he lands on a roster in the NBA next year, but it certainly isn't automatic. If we do end up making a coaching change...typically it's rare to see kids stick around. That's what stinks...I really think Rogers will end up being a good player, yet we may never see him play here. Who knows, maybe the new guy could keep him..you just don't see it much. You just got to hope the new staff cand land some quality bigs in the portal.

Hopefully that's all a moot point and we make the tourney. I feel several would rather see us continue to fail so he isn't here next year. But again, I don't think it's a 100% certainty that he's automatically fired if we don't make the tourney. It's not that black and white with Joe C. PM thought changing conferences would help his cause, but this year that isn't even close to being the truth. If we were in the Big 12 this year, I think we'd have a much better chance of making the tourney. You really can't even argue that...the SEC this year is head and shoulders better than the Big 12. Who would have thunk it. If Joe C. truly feels that he hasn't given PM enough financial support to land the players necessary to be successful, he may feel that he's done a solid job given the circumstances. I'm not saying that's the case or that I totally agree with it, but we lost some recruits due to $..that's a given. A new coach may not have much better results under the same conditions. Things have got to change all the way around.
 
Honestly, this program is in deep ****. Currently, we’re dead in the water. Moser is in over his head and there is very little support for the program from fans, donors, admin. We are so far behind top 25 teams and even teams like TCU, Kansas st, Missouri, Arkansas, etc. There’s just nothing positive about this program and no hope of competing for anything meaningful. Sad state of affairs considering our history of success.
 
The narrative that rebounding is ‘all about effort’ is false.

Effort is a part of it, for sure, but so is size, strength, athleticism AND not getting beat off the dribble so badly that help has to shift and leave the basket wide open for the offense to crash.

We should never have a deficit of 47-19, but it’s a lazy argument just to say it’s effort.

We need bigger, better players. Period.
 
Honestly, this program is in deep ****. Currently, we’re dead in the water. Moser is in over his head and there is very little support for the program from fans, donors, admin. We are so far behind top 25 teams and even teams like TCU, Kansas st, Missouri, Arkansas, etc. There’s just nothing positive about this program and no hope of competing for anything meaningful. Sad state of affairs considering our history of success.
I don't get this comment, especially in this game thread. OU was expected to lose to A&M by 8-9 points, and we lost by 7 and were within 4 with 30 seconds left. Like everyone else, I was shocked at how poorly OU was out-rebounded and how poorly Fears played, but I had a similar opinion to WS and Boom Soon going into the game, i.e. didn't expect to win.

Also, we just beat Arky at their place, and beat a few other top 25 teams this season, e.g. UM, AZ, and (now) UL.

While I'm by no means a PM apologist, OU isn't dead in the water. However, A&M just further exposed a big weakness for OU last night.
 
The narrative that rebounding is ‘all about effort’ is false.

Effort is a part of it, for sure, but so is size, strength, athleticism AND not getting beat off the dribble so badly that help has to shift and leave the basket wide open for the offense to crash.

We should never have a deficit of 47-19, but it’s a lazy argument just to say it’s effort.

We need bigger, better players. Period.
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Above is a chart from cbbanalytics.com of every team in the country plotted by offensive and defensive rebound percentage. It specifically identifies the SEC for a better visual. OU is currently the only team in the conference that is below average in both of those categories. According to Kenpom, OU ranks as the 183rd ranked team in the country by average height. Texas A&M is ranked 139th and was missing their best rebounder in the game last night. How is a team like A&M of average size so good at rebounding? Florida is 80th and I'm sure that's helped out by the 7'9 center that doesn't play. Tennessee is 196th. South Carolina, who didn't look any more athletic than us when we played is 158th in team height and look at where they are on the chart.

We don't rebound well because Moser does not demand that out of his players. When Moore came over from GT, one of the big selling points on him as a player was how well he played on the offensive glass due to his athleticism. Where did that go? Even Godwin has regressed this year as a rebounder. Would having better bigs help us rebound? Sure. Would making that a heavy emphasis in the offseason make us dramatically improved in that area? Almost positively. If you're curious about where I got the height rankings, I'll post the url here: kenpom.com subscription
 
Texas A&M is ranked 139th and was missing their best rebounder in the game last night. How is a team like A&M of average size so good at rebounding?

body type has much more to do with rebounding then height ..

the 1 and 3 rebounder for tamu against OU were 6'9 and 6'8 but both over 250 ..

#2 is 6'7 but over 220 ..

#4 was 6'6 and 225+
 
I don't get this comment, especially in this game thread. OU was expected to lose to A&M by 8-9 points, and we lost by 7 and were within 4 with 30 seconds left. Like everyone else, I was shocked at how poorly OU was out-rebounded and how poorly Fears played, but I had a similar opinion to WS and Boom Soon going into the game, i.e. didn't expect to win.

Also, we just beat Arky at their place, and beat a few other top 25 teams this season, e.g. UM, AZ, and (now) UL.

While I'm by no means a PM apologist, OU isn't dead in the water. However, A&M just further exposed a big weakness for OU last night.
You don’t get it? It’s not about this one game. It’s about the state of the program. We were a perennial tourney team and have made the final four within the last 10 years. We were a top 25 program. Now, we’re dead with no momentum or support. It’s not about this one game. It’s about the annual **** show that is this program under moser and the lack of leadership and support from the AD and donors.
 
Rebounding is literally all about positioning and effort. Im not very tall and I still used to be able to rebound with guys way bigger than me in pickup because I could seal off an entire side of the basket on the shot. Half the time I’d get a rebound after it bounced because I’d created that much space for myself. I understand college ball and pickup are not the same, but the point stands. Why do you believe Forsythe was our leading rebounder?

Arguably the greatest rebounder in NBA history (Rodman) was 6’7. It is honestly one of the biggest statistical indicators of effort within a game that you can find. It’s why Godwin has been able to make a name for himself as a rebounder before this season even though he is a much lesser athlete than most of the bigs he plays against. It is a massive indictment of our team that we just got out rebounded worse than any OU team since the 92-93 season last night. It’s flat out embarrassing.

I’ve tried to support Moser for as long as I could, but I think it’s becoming evident that it is not working out in Norman. Probably best for everyone involved to part ways at the end of the year.
This guy gets it
 
The narrative that rebounding is ‘all about effort’ is false.

Effort is a part of it, for sure, but so is size, strength, athleticism AND not getting beat off the dribble so badly that help has to shift and leave the basket wide open for the offense to crash.

We should never have a deficit of 47-19, but it’s a lazy argument just to say it’s effort.

We need bigger, better players. Period.
It certainly is both. But it's like 70-80% effort.
 
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Above is a chart from cbbanalytics.com of every team in the country plotted by offensive and defensive rebound percentage. It specifically identifies the SEC for a better visual. OU is currently the only team in the conference that is below average in both of those categories. According to Kenpom, OU ranks as the 183rd ranked team in the country by average height. Texas A&M is ranked 139th and was missing their best rebounder in the game last night. How is a team like A&M of average size so good at rebounding? Florida is 80th and I'm sure that's helped out by the 7'9 center that doesn't play. Tennessee is 196th. South Carolina, who didn't look any more athletic than us when we played is 158th in team height and look at where they are on the chart.

We don't rebound well because Moser does not demand that out of his players. When Moore came over from GT, one of the big selling points on him as a player was how well he played on the offensive glass due to his athleticism. Where did that go? Even Godwin has regressed this year as a rebounder. Would having better bigs help us rebound? Sure. Would making that a heavy emphasis in the offseason make us dramatically improved in that area? Almost positively. If you're curious about where I got the height rankings, I'll post the url here: kenpom.com subscription
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Rebounding is literally all about positioning and effort. Im not very tall and I still used to be able to rebound with guys way bigger than me in pickup because I could seal off an entire side of the basket on the shot. Half the time I’d get a rebound after it bounced because I’d created that much space for myself. I understand college ball and pickup are not the same, but the point stands. Why do you believe Forsythe was our leading rebounder?

Arguably the greatest rebounder in NBA history (Rodman) was 6’7. It is honestly one of the biggest statistical indicators of effort within a game that you can find. It’s why Godwin has been able to make a name for himself as a rebounder before this season even though he is a much lesser athlete than most of the bigs he plays against. It is a massive indictment of our team that we just got out rebounded worse than any OU team since the 92-93 season last night. It’s flat out embarrassing.

I’ve tried to support Moser for as long as I could, but I think it’s becoming evident that it is not working out in Norman. Probably best for everyone involved to part ways at the end of the year.
One component that doesn't get mentioned with respect to rebounding (if you're using good technique/footwork/body angles) very often is that you will likely draw fouls by guys either coming over your back or trying to go through you to get to the ball. It all goes hand in hand.
 
body type has much more to do with rebounding then height ..

the 1 and 3 rebounder for tamu against OU were 6'9 and 6'8 but both over 250 ..

#2 is 6'7 but over 220 ..

#4 was 6'6 and 225+
Two things, those guys being the top rebounder on a team that almost out rebounded us by 30 speaks for itself. And also, who was in charge of building a roster not capable of rebounding with those guys? If we don’t have the players to do it, it’s Mosers fault. If we don’t have the effort to do it, it’s also Mosers fault. He’s been here 4 years. It’s his team.
 
I'm old, but anybody remember Jerome Lane of Pitt back in the day? 6-6 and led the nation in rebounding. We had a guy named Cheese Davis back in the late 80s or early 90s that also was 6-5 or 6-6 and may have led us in rebounding. Dude was thick and muscular. Maybe someone's already brought up Ernie Abercrombie..
 
One component that doesn't get mentioned with respect to rebounding (if you're using good technique/footwork/body angles) very often is that you will likely draw fouls by guys either coming over your back or trying to go through you to get to the ball. It all goes hand in hand.
And on the other hand, not blocking out leads to being out of position, which leads to defensive fouls. So we are hurting ourselves in every possible way.
 
I'm old, but anybody remember Jerome Lane of Pitt back in the day? 6-6 and led the nation in rebounding. We had a guy named Cheese Davis back in the late 80s or early 90s that also was 6-5 or 6-6 and may have led us in rebounding. Dude was thick and muscular. Maybe someone's already brought up Ernie Abercrombie..
Send it in, Jerome! It was just the anniversary of that famous Bill Raftery call.
 
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