College basketball has been ruined

[korgy]

Basketball hasn't always been that physical though if I am not mistaken. When did it start becoming a more physical game?

 

[Swans]

I'm guessing Kelvin has finally decided the college game isn't for him anymore.

 

[NickZepp]

I'm guessing Kelvin has finally decided the college game isn't for him anymore.

Last I looked he's coaching in the NBA which is the rules we are trying to copy...

 

[ballislife12]

I don't think it was mentioned, but this year through 6 games 7 teams have shot over 200 FTs (235 morehead state), and last year the season high was 870 by Nova in 33 games...
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...m/_/stat/free-throws/sort/freeThrowsAttempted

I hate hate hate the new touch foul call. If you haven't watched a game in person this season, it sucks because it is constantly killing the game tempo and momentum

 

[hoopsaustin]

Here's the way I look at it: If you go play a pick up game anywhere in the country; how many fouls will be called? Only the most agregious, that's the way I & most every D1 payer in the country came up in the sport. That is the heart of basketball in this country. IMO basketball should be a physical game. I think there should be way less fouls called than there already was before this season. More points doesn't mean more exciting, and more fouls certainly doesn't equal more excitement! The only change to the rules I would have made would have been the abolishment of the charging foul. While I'm on the subject, this whole somebody got elbowed let's go look at the monitor for ten minutes then call varying degrees of flagrant fouls is more unnecessary nonsense.

I know I'm in the minority, I just don't know why?

This^^^^^

Agree on every point

Did we just become best friends?

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Last I looked he's coaching in the NBA which is the rules we are trying to copy...

If they are trying to copy the NBA they are failing terribly. IF they get to how the NBA is that will be good for the game. But they aren't even close to calling it the same way right now

 

[McG78]

You don't play much pick up basketball if you think only the most egregious fouls get called. Generally, there is a guy or two calling every touch as a foul. The difference is that there isn't as much incentive to call actual fouls. The reward is only the ball back. If you make the and 1, there is no reason to call the foul.

When Eddie Sutton was glorified for suiting his players up in football pads and hitting each other in practice, everyone should of seen this day coming. That isn't the game of basketball. You can't hip check someone out of bounds.

To the comment that this is just OU jealousy, you are mistaken. Refs favor certain coaches because those coaches "know how to coach basketball." Surely, Bill Self's team doesn't foul on the perimeter because Bill Self drills defensive fundamentals. It is a self-fulfilling prophecy that the best teams are the best.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

To the comment that this is just OU jealousy, you are mistaken. Refs favor certain coaches because those coaches "know how to coach basketball." Surely, Bill Self's team doesn't foul on the perimeter because Bill Self drills defensive fundamentals. It is a self-fulfilling prophecy that the best teams are the best.

lol

If this rule would have come out with Kelvin here, every OU fan would have hated it.

 

[campbest]

Guys,

I ref college ball for 25 yrs and looking at today's game (this season) I'm glad that I'm out. This will be the down fall of college basketball, it will only last a year before the coaches and administrators yell loud enough to make the changes, but for this year, college basketball is done as we loved it.

This is comical...the coaches and administration were the proponents of the rule. Hell, the coaches essentially make up the rules and point of emphasis every year.

 

[McG78]

lol

If this rule would have come out with Kelvin here, every OU fan would have hated it.

Not every fan. And based on attendance, not a majority of fans. The number one complaint from OU fans on why they didn't go to games is because it wasn't entertaining. No one wanted to see a 57-50 slug fest.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Not every fan. And based on attendance, not a majority of fans. The number one complaint from OU fans on why they didn't go to games is because it wasn't entertaining. No one wanted to see a 57-50 slug fest.

Do you find 50 plus free throws a game entertaining? I don't.

And I really don't feel that the perimeter slugfest is the reason for the low scores. It's the level of players, and 35 shot clock that have a greater effect IMO


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[DenverSooner]

Do you find 50 plus free throws a game entertaining? I don't.

And I really don't feel that the perimeter slugfest is the reason for the low scores. It's the level of players, and 35 shot clock that have a greater effect IMO


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How old are you? I ask simply because you keep blaming the shot clock; however, it is the same shot clock that existed in the 80s when scoring was substantially higher.

 

[campbest]

Fouls will decrease as the season goes on. The game was never as "physical" as people made it out to be, but that is the mask the administrators and coaches are using to get more points.

 

[McG78]

Do you find 50 plus free throws a game entertaining? I don't.

And I really don't feel that the perimeter slugfest is the reason for the low scores. It's the level of players, and 35 shot clock that have a greater effect IMO


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The number of free throws will decrease as people learn to play better defense (including help defense).

The level of players is substantially better across basketball than say 20 years ago. There is substantially more talent in the college ranks.

The shot clock should be reduced and the three point line extended to spread the floor. But that isn't the reason for the low scores.

Low scores are due primarily to the fact that you could knock a guy down without a foul. People couldn't get enough space to shoot.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

How old are you? I ask simply because you keep blaming the shot clock; however, it is the same shot clock that existed in the 80s when scoring was substantially higher.

I've simply been saying that reducing the shot clock would have a greater effect on scoring than this new rule will.

And i'm 8

 

[McG78]

Fouls will decrease as the season goes on. The game was never as "physical" as people made it out to be, but that is the mask the administrators and coaches are using to get more points.

Eddie Sutton had his players wear football pads and tackle each other. It was glorified on ESPN. The game was very physical. The OU/MSU game with Najera was basically a boxing match were someone inexplicably threw a basketball at a goal every 35 seconds.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

The number of free throws will decrease as people learn to play better defense (including help defense).

they will decrease from where they are now but not from where they have historically been

The level of players is substantially better across basketball than say 20 years ago. There is substantially more talent in the college ranks.

very debatable

The shot clock should be reduced and the three point line extended to spread the floor. But that isn't the reason for the low scores.

really? Do you think if you put a 35 second shot clock in the NBA that scores would stay the same?

Low scores are due primarily to the fact that you could knock a guy down without a foul. People couldn't get enough space to shoot.

lol. You guys make it sound like you can tackle a guy and not get fouled. And the new rules have little to do with shooters

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Eddie Sutton had his players wear football pads and tackle each other. It was glorified on ESPN. The game was very physical. The OU/MSU game with Najera was basically a boxing match were someone inexplicably threw a basketball at a goal every 35 seconds.

Hint: stop using hyperbole to prove your point on this subject.

 

[BoulderSooner]

I've simply been saying that reducing the shot clock would have a greater effect on scoring than this new rule will.

And i'm 8

keeping the old rules and making the shot clock shorter would have reduced scoring

 

[BoulderSooner]

Fouls will decrease as the season goes on. The game was never as "physical" as people made it out to be, but that is the mask the administrators and coaches are using to get more points.

yes it was .. the college game has been more physical (on the perimeter for sure) than the nba for years now