College basketball has been ruined

[McG78]

Hint: stop using hyperbole to prove your point on this subject.

These are both true facts.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lRbPw_PQG0[/ame]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?id=1957123 (Bill Self and Izzo both use football pads too)

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTvbwmn9BoA[/ame]

You might really be 8.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

keeping the old rules and making the shot clock shorter would have reduced scoring

I highly highly doubt it.
You are creating a lot more possessions. A lot of the time teams dribble around until they go into their play. This would simply cut down on the down time

 

[SoonerBounce13]

These are both true facts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lRbPw_PQG0

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?id=1957123 (Bill Self and Izzo both use football pads too)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTvbwmn9BoA

You might really be 8.

LOL so you really believe people can be pushed down with out foul calls on a daily basis? Pointing out single instances is laughable.

I never said Sutton didn't practice with pads.

 

[McG78]

LOL so you really believe people can be pushed down with out foul calls on a daily basis? Pointing out single instances is laughable.

I never said Sutton didn't practice with pads.

Here is a concrete example. Bill Self has always coached that the way to defend an on the ball screen is to "jam the dribbler." http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...fficiating-hand-checking-rule-change/3422293/ A defender could mug a dribbler so long as the defender was "fighting" over the screen. The offender couldn't create any space.

Another Bill Self classic was for the defender to close off space by extending his arm into the offenders belly button. This made the crossover almost nonexistent. In Blake Griffin's first year our game at KU (which Blake didn't play in), our guards got shoved into the scores table with no call when the KU defenders used this method. It look like the offender is backing up, but in truth the defender is pushing him back every time the offender tries to drive.

 

[campbest]

yes it was .. the college game has been more physical (on the perimeter for sure) than the nba for years now

I never said it wasn't.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Here is a concrete example. Bill Self has always coached that the way to defend an on the ball screen is to "jam the dribbler." http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...fficiating-hand-checking-rule-change/3422293/ A defender could mug a dribbler so long as the defender was "fighting" over the screen. The offender couldn't create any space.

Another Bill Self classic was for the defender to close off space by extending his arm into the offenders belly button. This made the crossover almost nonexistent. In Blake Griffin's first year our game at KU (which Blake didn't play in), our guards got shoved into the scores table with no call when the KU defenders used this method. It look like the offender is backing up, but in truth the defender is pushing him back every time the offender tries to drive.

yep, sounds like tackling and knocking down guys to me....

 

[McG78]

yep, sounds like tackling and knocking down guys to me....

This discussion is obviously over. Based on your logic (the fallacy of an argument from ignorance), because I have never seen an alien, aliens don't exist. Sorry I didn't record every overly physical basketball play that didn't result in a foul. I didn't know I was going to be tested on this.

The argument is this: College Basketball was notably more physical than ever before. The physicality bordered (and sometimes crossed) into extremes. This physicality made it seem less like basketball. The new rules will take out this overly physical play. Thus, scoring will increase and the game will be more enjoyable to watch.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

This discussion is obviously over. Based on your logic (the fallacy of an argument from ignorance), because I have never seen an alien, aliens don't exist. Sorry I didn't record every overly physical basketball play that didn't result in a foul. I didn't know I was going to be tested on this.

I just feel the hyperbole is a horrible tool to use in arguments. It is very rare for a player to get tackled or pushed down without a foul call.

The argument is this: College Basketball was notably more physical than ever before. The physicality bordered (and sometimes crossed) into extremes. This physicality made it seem less like basketball. The new rules will take out this overly physical play. Thus, scoring will increase and the game will be more enjoyable to watch.

and in those extreme situations fouls are called. Less like basketball? Should we revert back to no dribbling? The new rules don't take out the overly physical plays...the old rules did that. It will add more fouls which slow down the game and makes it less enjoyable and extend games by 30" to an hour.

It's just my opinion. They are calling really ticky tacky calls and I don't see that it will change much. And I see it creating more issues with favoritism and inconsistency in calls between games.

All it is going to take is for OU to get called for one of these fouls that change the outcome of a game and you all will be against these rules.

 

[DenverSooner]

I've simply been saying that reducing the shot clock would have a greater effect on scoring than this new rule will.

And i'm 8

You type, write and spell quite well for an 8 year old.

 

[McG78]

I just feel the hyperbole is a horrible tool to use in arguments. It is very rare for a player to get tackled or pushed down without a foul call.




and in those extreme situations fouls are called. Less like basketball? Should we revert back to no dribbling? The new rules don't take out the overly physical plays...the old rules did that. It will add more fouls which slow down the game and makes it less enjoyable and extend games by 30" to an hour.

It's just my opinion. They are calling really ticky tacky calls and I don't see that it will change much. And I see it creating more issues with favoritism and inconsistency in calls between games.

All it is going to take is for OU to get called for one of these fouls that change the outcome of a game and you all will be against these rules.

The fallacy is that the number of fouls called caused the fouls to occur. The same activity is happening on the court. The difference is that now that activity is resulting in a foul being called.

The hope is that the opposite will occur. The foul being called will result in a change in activity.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Of course that is the hope. But I don't think it will occur like that.

 

[DenverSooner]

You have to give it some time. If they stick with it for an entire season, I think it will speed up the game.

 

[NickZepp]

If they are trying to copy the NBA they are failing terribly. IF they get to how the NBA is that will be good for the game. But they aren't even close to calling it the same way right now

The NBA first started this style about 10 or 12 years ago and you heard the same comments. The 90s was the most physical era of basketball in the NBA. It is more or less a finesse league now.

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[152219]

The NBA first started this style about 10 or 12 years ago and you heard the same comments. The 90s was the most physical era of basketball in the NBA. It is more or less a finesse league now.

Sent from my galaxy s2

The Heat/Knicks defense that permeated the NBA in the '90s nearly ruined viewership fore the league because no one wanted to watch that product because it was flat out awful.

And college basketball was starting to get the way as well.

 

[152219]

The Cuse/Marquette 55-39 Elite 8 game last year was incredibly difficult to watch and it is games like this which made coaches and administrators to call for the refs to start calling all the hand checking, grabbing, pulling, flopping, etc. For example, I had grown tired of all the flops on the defensive end being called flops. It seemed like 80% of the time the defense was given the call whereas most of the time it should have been 80% for the offense.

 

[snydrosooner]

I remember sitting within a few rows of the court watching ou-osu from the student section. Both teams were just grabbing jerseys and grabbing arms not allowing players to break free or go around screens. Did I enjoy watching the game? Yes. Was it basketball - well not the way I grew up playing. And these were the Great Sampson and Sutton teams. Like I said fun to watch as in interested party, hard to say it was great basketball.

I hate the new rules to the aspect as it gives the offense such an advantage. But I have to admit something had to be done. I cannot say the last time I watched a college game that has not been OU because it is brutal to watch at times.

 

[earlpearl]

I remember sitting within a few rows of the court watching ou-osu from the student section. Both teams were just grabbing jerseys and grabbing arms not allowing players to break free or go around screens. Did I enjoy watching the game? Yes. Was it basketball - well not the way I grew up playing. And these were the Great Sampson and Sutton teams. Like I said fun to watch as in interested party, hard to say it was great basketball.

I hate the new rules to the aspect as it gives the offense such an advantage. But I have to admit something had to be done. I cannot say the last time I watched a college game that has not been OU because it is brutal to watch at times.

It does give the offense somewhat of an advantage, but with strong defensive help strategies that can be somewhat negated. The old stare at the belly button cliche' becomes more important again, because you can't grab a guy as he goes buy you so you must move your feet and stay in front of him.

 

[StatGeek]

This^^^^^

Agree on every point

Did we just become best friends?

Hell yeah we did!!

 

[BoulderSooner]

It does give the offense somewhat of an advantage, but with strong defensive help strategies that can be somewhat negated. The old stare at the belly button cliche' becomes more important again, because you can't grab a guy as he goes buy you so you must move your feet and stay in front of him.

also puts a premium on shot blockers