Conference stats

[SoonerSpock]

I would suggest that they are telling the truth.

Maddie has not been consistent. I think there is more than one reason. Sometimes, there is a tendency to look only at scoring. Let me go back to the first game in which I can remember Sherri telling Maddie to take over (her words from the post-game show).

If I remember, Gioya was on the bench early, like after two minutes. May be wrong on this. But, I do remember that we had no flow. Nothing was happening on offense. When Maddie came in, she began to pass it around and get some movement and open shots for several. We put on a burst that allowed us to overcome a Texas momentum (?, I think it was Texas). Often, things go better when Maddie has the ball more. She looks to create or pass.

Unfortunately, recently, nobody is moving to get open, even if she does distribute. But, her stat line is often quite full. Right now, she isn't hitting anything except free throws. But, she is our second leading rebouder, leads in steals in conference play, is up there in assists (despite the fact that we aren't hitting the shots after distribution), and I think she is third on the team in blocks. That's kind of a lot of different things.

I think they see what she can be. There are just interruptions that have crippled that thus far.

Ha, ha, ha!!! No one gets credit for an assist unless the recepient scores and Maddie is holding her teammates assists down more than anyone except Gioya with her FG% (.206) in conference play. In conference play she is 5th on the team in scoring, 1st in turnovers, tied for 3rd in assist, 2nd in RB, 6th in 3pt% 10th in FG% and tied for 1st in steals. Any increase in her stats year over year (points, RB and steals) can be attributed mostly to her minutes almost doubling except A/TO's where her assist are up.

Good numbers for a role player but doesn't approach all conference or POY numbers. Not much time left for her to be what Sherri and Chad thinks see can be.

STAT*****2015*****2016

Min******15.4*****27.2
FG%*****.442*****.342
3pt%*****.375*****.366
FT%******.788*****.792
RB********2.3******4.9
A/TO******0.56*****1.27
TP********5.5******8.4
Steals******9*******10

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[sybarite]

You and Norm always express such faith and trust in Sherri and her staff. But, Tango is right. Sherri and her staff know ten times what anyone on this board knows about basketball. I think I'll listen to someone who built a non-existent team into one of the standard bearers on the way to her Hall of Fame nomination.

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

Ha, ha, ha!!! No one gets credit for an assist unless the recepient scores and Maddie is holding her teammates assists down more than anyone except Gioya with her FG% (.206) in conference play.

Any increase in her stats year over year (points, RB and steals) can be attributed mostly to her minutes almost doubling except A/TO's where her assist are up.

Good numbers for a role player

A few questions SS. Please be specific and clear so it is easy to understand your answer and deep knowledge about basketball stats.

1. How do you justify the comment that is bolded?

2. How do you justify the comment that is underlined?

3. How do YOU define a role player?

 

[Oliver Hardy]

I don't know if Maddie is a role player, but she certainly isn't a star. She's an average to good player.


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[SoonerSpock]

I would suggest that they are telling the truth.

Maddie has not been consistent. I think there is more than one reason. Sometimes, there is a tendency to look only at scoring. Let me go back to the first game in which I can remember Sherri telling Maddie to take over (her words from the post-game show).

If I remember, Gioya was on the bench early, like after two minutes. May be wrong on this. But, I do remember that we had no flow. Nothing was happening on offense. When Maddie came in, she began to pass it around and get some movement and open shots for several. We put on a burst that allowed us to overcome a Texas momentum (?, I think it was Texas). Often, things go better when Maddie has the ball more. She looks to create or pass.

Unfortunately, recently, nobody is moving to get open, even if she does distribute. But, her stat line is often quite full. Right now, she isn't hitting anything except free throws. But, she is our second leading rebouder, leads in steals in conference play, is up there in assists (despite the fact that we aren't hitting the shots after distribution), and I think she is third on the team in blocks. That's kind of a lot of different things.

I think they see what she can be. There are just interruptions that have crippled that thus far.

You should believe what you choose to believe. I will choose to believe what the last two years statistics and my eyes sitting in LNC and tell me. I will continue to hope that Maddie plays to her potential. Unfortunately I have come to believe that her chances to play at that level are slim and none.

Time will tell what Maddie will be come and she is short on time to reach the level Sherri is hoping occurs. I am wishing with Sherri but my doubts as strong. I am inclined to look at results that are not close to approaching honorable mention all conference at this stage of her career. There is a reason Maddie is playing the fewest minutes of any starter in conference play.

 

[SoonerSpock]

A few questions SS. Please be specific and clear so it is easy to understand your answer and deep knowledge about basketball stats.

1. How do you justify the comment that is bolded?

2. How do you justify the comment that is underlined?

3. How do YOU define a role player?

1. I used Syb's logic that:

An assist requires these things:

---someone to execute a pass
---someone to hit (not miss) a basket
---an official scorer who will give credit for an assist.

Followed by sYB'S assessment that Maddie wasn't getting assists because:

Unfortunately, recently, nobody is moving to get open, even if she does distribute.

Using his logic I illustrated how Maddie with the worst FG% among the starters and when the ball is distributed to her finishing with a .206 FG% is depriving others of assist more so than their shooting percentage (.341, .342, .405 and .529) is depriving Maddie of assists. Analogous to his reference above.

2. I used the simple logic that if someone is playing 15.4 minute and scoring 5.5 p/g and their playing time increases to 27.2 minutes and she scores 8.4 p/g a good portion of that 2.9 p/g increase can be attributed to the fact she was on the court 11.8 more minutes. It becomes nothing more then the increase in scoring opportunities derived from being on the court longer. Ditto rebounds, assist, turnovers and steals.

Shooting percentages, assist to turnovers do not have the same linear relationship to time on the court.

3. To me virtually all players (80-90%) are role players. Only a player that is truely a difference maker is not a role player. On this Sooner team I would consider only Kay-Kay as possibly not a role player and that is part of the problem this team has. They have no go to difference maker that can win tight games as needed.

 

[SoonerSpock]

You and Norm always express such faith and trust in Sherri and her staff. But, Tango is right. Sherri and her staff know ten times what anyone on this board knows about basketball. I think I'll listen to someone who built a non-existent team into one of the standard bearers on the way to her Hall of Fame nomination.

I agree that Sherri knows infinitely more about the game than anyone on this board. But I also know that coaches constantly use public statements to build up player confidence and motivate them to give extra effort. That is what I think Sherri and Chad were doing with their statements regarding Maddie.

My observation of Maddie's performance over the last 47 games since her injuries is something is mentally missing that prohibit her playing at POY levels they want. I just don't see her finding that missing link. Hope I am wrong. I will be at LNC again this morning rooting for the team and for Maddie to take that needed step forward.

 

[SoonerSpock]

Thought this morning game was the best I have seen Maddie play since perhaps her six freshman games. She was aggressive all four quarters on both ends which is not the norm. Now we just need her to replicate the same 4 of the next 5 games. If so she could easily make me eat my words. But I still have my doubts.

Thought the team played its most complete game for four quarters as well. Everyone was aggressive, moving, passing, rebounding and playing defense. It needs to become a habit not an exception.

 

[sybarite]

Thought this morning game was the best I have seen Maddie play since perhaps her six freshman games. She was aggressive all four quarters on both ends which is not the norm. Now we just need her to replicate the same 4 of the next 5 games. If so she could easily make me eat my words. But I still have my doubts.

Thought the team played its most complete game for four quarters as well. Everyone was aggressive, moving, passing, rebounding and playing defense. It needs to become a habit not an exception.

I think a lot depends on how the team plays as a whole. If the team flows, Maddie will find ways to score. If she is alone, I"m not so sure.

 

[35TangoTango]

Thought this morning game was the best I have seen Maddie play since perhaps her six freshman games. She was aggressive all four quarters on both ends which is not the norm. Now we just need her to replicate the same 4 of the next 5 games. If so she could easily make me eat my words. But I still have my doubts.

Thought the team played its most complete game for four quarters as well. Everyone was aggressive, moving, passing, rebounding and playing defense. It needs to become a habit not an exception.

I agree. She wasn't trying to force anything or be the hero. She concentrated on her role and playing within herself.

 

[atlantasooner]

Good level of effort for a somewhat weird early morning mid week game.

Is tech this bad??

Always nice to get a blowout win, better than a blowout loss.

Maybe this team is going to vacillate widely in execution levels.