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Per the AG of Kentucky, a "no-knock" warrant was approved, but not executed in this case. And this was corroborated by multiple independent sources.

Her death is a tragedy, but when officers are fired upon (including one officer hit), they are going to fire back.....and bad things are likely to follow. The boyfriend lit the fuse.

You can argue about the merits of the warrant, but Taylor was also named on this warrant. I don't know the entirety of evidence against the boyfriend or how it was collected, but I am hesitant to blame the cops on site....they were there to bring a suspect into custody and reacted in a manner in which they were trained.

Sucks all the way around for everyone involved.
 
BCSooners said:
You’re right & all the sources who use the definition of EC & determine VC is one are wrong.

How do you argue against the 2 articles I posted Oh Wise One?
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wikipedia?

Dude I"m a hardcore catholic. I know what the Papal conclave is, it isn't an electoral college lol

Cardinals aren't elected officials. And they don't represent people that elected them because they aren't elected. They do elect the Pope. WHich is why i made the comparison to the school board. the school board elects its leader as well. but the school board isn't an EC
 
stormspencer said:
Per the AG of Kentucky, a "no-knock" warrant was approved, but not executed in this case. And this was corroborated by multiple independent sources.

Her death is a tragedy, but when officers are fired upon (including one officer hit), they are going to fire back.....and bad things are likely to follow. The boyfriend lit the fuse.

You can argue about the merits of the warrant, but Taylor was also named on this warrant. I don't know the entirety of evidence against the boyfriend or how it was collected, but I am hesitant to blame the cops on site....they were there to bring a suspect into custody and reacted in a manner in which they were trained.

Sucks all the way around for everyone involved.
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has there been evidence that shows it wasn't executed? I now the cops say they announced themselves but witnesses say they didn't hear anything.
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
has there been evidence that shows it wasn't executed? I now the cops say they announced themselves but witnesses say they didn't hear anything.
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Unless I misheard it, during the AG's press conference, he noted in his summary that they announced themselves before breaking down the door. He didn't go into great detail though outside of saying this was corroborated.
 
stormspencer said:
Unless I misheard it, during the AG's press conference, he noted in his summary that they announced themselves before breaking down the door. He didn't go into great detail though outside of saying this was corroborated.
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11 different witnesses contradicted the officer's story. I can't believe the city would have paid out $12 million to Breonna Taylor's family if they thought the officers acted correctly. But who knows?
 
steverocks35 said:
11 different witnesses contradicted the officer's story. I can't believe the city would have paid out $12 million to Breonna Taylor's family if they thought the officers acted correctly. But who knows?
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I thought I heard there was body cam footage but they weren't releasing it. maybe not though

I do know that this happened after midnight right? I'm not sure I would trust "witnesses". Maybe the apartment right next door but even then people can sleep through yelling.
 
Can somebody quickly summarize the situation for me? My knowledge is:

- Police obtain a legal warrant to search a house involved with illegal drug activity
- Police search said house
- Police get shot at
- Police fire back

What am I missing? Don't get me wrong, this is a ****ty situation, and I can't imagine the pain her loved ones experienced/are experiencing. But I don't see why this is the poster case for systemic racism.

This is an honest question. I'm not well-versed in this case, and I can't force myself to go through 10 pages of mostly uninformative bickering.
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
wikipedia?

Dude I"m a hardcore catholic. I know what the Papal conclave is, it isn't an electoral college lol

Cardinals aren't elected officials. And they don't represent people that elected them because they aren't elected. They do elect the Pope. WHich is why i made the comparison to the school board. the school board elects its leader as well. but the school board isn't an EC
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I posted 2 articles. No they are not, they are appointed by the pope (I was wrong on that).

Electoral College - “a body of electors chosen or appointed by a larger group.” That’s exactly the Pope process.
 
Eielson said:
Can somebody quickly summarize the situation for me? My knowledge is:

- Police obtain a legal warrant to search a house involved with illegal drug activity
- Police search said house
- Police get shot at
- Police fire back

What am I missing? Don't get me wrong, this is a ****ty situation, and I can't imagine the pain her loved ones experienced/are experiencing. But I don't see why this is the poster case for systemic racism.

This is an honest question. I'm not well-versed in this case, and I can't force myself to go through 10 pages of mostly uninformative bickering.
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I don’t think it’s a case for systematic racism. I think it’s a case to further show how much police reform is needed.
 
BCSooners said:
I don’t think it’s a case for systematic racism. I think it’s a case to further show how much police reform is needed.
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I would agree with that. Not necessarily this abolishment/defunding thing.
 
BCSooners said:
I posted 2 articles. No they are not, they are appointed by the pope (I was wrong on that).

Electoral College - “a body of electors chosen or appointed by a larger group.” That’s exactly the Pope process.
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The cardinals aren’t elected by a larger group. They are chosen by the pope
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
The cardinals aren’t elected by a larger group. They are chosen by the pope
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You literally quoted me saying that exact same thing.

Another definition: An electoral college is a set of electors who are selected to elect a candidate to particular offices. Often these represent different organizations, political parties, or entities, with each organization, political party or entity represented by a particular number of electors or with votes weighted in a particular way.

Both websites I read credit Germany and/or the Catholic Church as having the original EC.
 
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BCSooners said:
You literally quoted me saying that exact same thing.

Another definition: An electoral college is a set of electors who are selected to elect a candidate to particular offices. Often these represent different organizations, political parties, or entities, with each organization, political party or entity represented by a particular number of electors or with votes weighted in a particular way.

Both websites I read credit Germany and/or the Catholic Church as having the original EC.
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Right. I quoted it because it contradicts the definition you posted.

At this point,Think what you want. Comparing a papal conclave to the US electoral college is utterly laughable. If that is all you have then ok

The cardinals vote for the point for who they want. They don’t vote on behalf of anyone
 
steverocks35 said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/10/podcasts/the-daily/Breonna-Taylor.html?
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Unfortunately, to read the entire thing, you have to subscribe. I wouldn't give a penny to the NYT. But I was able to read the first several paragraphs...and the underlying attempt was there to paint the boyfriend as a victim. The guy has already lied saying he didn't shoot the officer, but unfortunately for him....ballistics say otherwise. The officer was shot in the leg with a 9mm and all of the officers' there at the scene had service weapons which are 40 caliber....and guess who was armed with a 9mm?

I will see if I can find another story on this elsewhere.
 
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