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SoonerBounce13 said:
No, that is discriminatory against his sexual orientation...not his sex. His sex is male. His orientation is male. He isn't being discriminated against because he is male. He is being discrimnated against because his sexual orientation is to males.

Now Hobby Lobby will have to hire people that are living a lifestyle that goes against their beliefs.

This ruling is going to have drastic drastic results for religious freedom
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He’s being discriminated against because he likes men, why aren’t the women being fired for liking men?
 
mict085 said:
Good luck proving that in a court of law. I sense a lot of fear in you. Are you afraid you might actually have to work with someone who is gay? Gasp.
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Not at all. I already do.

I just don't feel that the courts made the correct decision and are legislating. I don't see how anyone with an unbias thought process can read title vii and decide that trans and homosexuals fall into sex.

The reason I'm so adamant about this is because I believe in freedoms of capitalism and because I see the blurring of sex and orientation as a very very bad thing for society. You guys won't agree with me, but things are not looking good for the US
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
No, that is discriminatory against his sexual orientation...not his sex. His sex is male. His orientation is male. He isn't being discriminated against because he is male. He is being discrimnated against because his sexual orientation is to males.

Now Hobby Lobby will have to hire people that are living a lifestyle that goes against their beliefs.

This ruling is going to have drastic drastic results for religious freedom
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How? It’s preventing discrimination, not preventing you to practice your religion.
 
thebigabd said:
See, this is why humanity is awesome.... For days mict085 has been going at me hard, and then in this thread he comes through with flying colors, good logic, moral reasoning, etc...

I don't even have to say anything at this point, just ditto what mict085 is saying here.

Great posting on this topic, mict085.
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Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies.
 
mict085 said:
You equate gay as criminal. Maybe you should change the way you think.
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Oh stop. Now you are doing exactly what you hate that liberals do against you. Twisting my words. I never once said that they are the same. I used your statement against you. I'm using your words and making an argument for why your words were wrong. I suggest you go back and reread your post and realize that it is wrong and change it. Or keep twisting words like liberals like to do.
 
BCSooners said:
He’s being discriminated against because he likes men, why aren’t the women being fired for liking men?
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LOL seriously? So now the protection falls to the person that the worker likes? No, that isn't how the law was written. The sex referenced in the law is in reference to the worker's sex...not the sex of his partner. geez
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
So they can't work anywhere because one company won't hire them?

We don't have the right to work for whomever we want to
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It wouldn’t just be one company.

Of course not. You may not be the most qualified person, a person who knows a higher up could get it. But you shouldn’t be denied an opportunity based solely on being gay, trans, etc.
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
LOL seriously? So now the protection falls to the person that the worker likes? No, that isn't how the law was written. The sex referenced in the law is in reference to the worker's sex...not the sex of his partner. geez
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That’s exactly how the judges ruled. Geez
 
Regardless of your beliefs on this topic, one thing is true...the SCOTUS has now ruled that the word sex includes sexual orientation and gender identity.

My argument is that this is a ridiculous leap of logic.
If sexual orientation and gender identity should be protected classes, it should come from congress...not trying to change definitions on established law.

People do not know what sex is anymore.
 
BCSooners said:
How? It’s preventing discrimination, not preventing you to practice your religion.
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I am guessing what he is going to say is that someone with strong religious views can't make their own determination not to employ someone because they are gay, and taking that choice away from the business owner is trampling their religious rights or religion.

I don't really get what employment has to do with a persons religious rights or views though... Are you saying gays shouldn't be allowed to work? Or just that you are so repulsed by their lifestyle you don't want to be around them? You can still be a great Christian, AND employ a gay person. What that person does doesn't impact your religious practices, does it?
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
Oh stop. Now you are doing exactly what you hate that liberals do against you. Twisting my words. I never once said that they are the same. I used your statement against you. I'm using your words and making an argument for why your words were wrong. I suggest you go back and reread your post and realize that it is wrong and change it. Or keep twisting words like liberals like to do.
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So you just group bad characteristics as being liberal? He wasn’t even twisting your words, just giving you examples of your flawed reasoning.
 
thebigabd said:
I am guessing what he is going to say is that someone with strong religious views can't make their own determination not to employ someone because they are gay, and taking that choice away from the business owner is trampling their religious rights or religion.
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correct. Places like Hobby Lobby won't be able to deny employment to someone that is living a lifestyle that they oppose. Or a Church isn't going to be able to deny the secratary position to a gay man. And if they do, they will get sued.

I don't really get what employment has to do with a persons religious rights or views though... Are you saying gays shouldn't be allowed to work? Or just that you are so repulsed by their lifestyle you don't want to be around them?
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THey should be allowed to work. But I feel that owners should have the right to choose the set of values in their employees that matches their own values. I do not mind being around homosexuals. As a Christian, the homosexual act is a sin. We are still called to love the person, but we shouldn't condone their sin
 
BCSooners said:
So you just group bad characteristics as being liberal? He wasn’t even twisting your words, just giving you examples of your flawed reasoning.
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he did twist my words. He said I equate being gay as being criminal. I never said that and it takes a dishonest person to make that leap
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
Well abortion is still legal too...that doesn't make it right either....
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Based on your belief which you are allowed to have based on freedom of religion. But your religions beliefs doesn’t equate right and wrong for everybody, the law does.
 
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