Current Events Thread

[BCSooners]

I'm sorry?

Why would you be sorry? It’s how you feel & what you believe. I just strive for a world where people couldn’t be denied basic rights because of sexual orientation. I don’t see how that should affect anyone.

 

[BCSooners]

It shouldn’t matter either way. Nobody should discriminate against anyone else for any reason. A persons actions and behavior should determine their employment. Can you do the job? Period. Nobody should be discriminated against based on sex, religion, race, sexual orientation, or any other reason. It’s really very simple.

Bingo

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I just have a hard time legally with orientation being under title vii. Seems like they are letting today's definition dictate their interpretation instead of the actual verbage and spirit of the law

 

[SoonerBounce13]

It shouldn’t matter either way. Nobody should discriminate against anyone else for any reason.

So a school shouldn't be able to discriminate against a convicted child molester?

I can play this game too

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Why would you be sorry? It’s how you feel & what you believe. I just strive for a world where people couldn’t be denied basic rights because of sexual orientation. I don’t see how that should affect anyone.

How is a basic right being denied?

There are two issues here that have to be separated. The legalities of this ruling and the beliefs of the individual. They could lead to different conclusions. One could be for the effects of the decision without thinking it was the correct legal decision

 

[BCSooners]

I just have a hard time legally with orientation being under title vii. Seems like they are letting today's definition dictate their interpretation instead of the actual verbage and spirit of the law

If a man is gay then they like men, and could be fired for that reason alone. If he was a woman and likes men then it’d be okay. That’s discriminatory against that man’s sex. That’s my simplified understanding of the ruling.

 

[mict085]

I just have a hard time legally with orientation being under title vii. Seems like they are letting today's definition dictate their interpretation instead of the actual verbage and spirit of the law

Again, I disagree. The law of the land protects everyone’s right to work, not just some. Every citizen should be protected under the law. You can disagree with others lifestyle but you can’t attack their right to work.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

If a man is gay then they like men, and could be fired for that reason alone. If he was a woman and likes men then it’d be okay. That’s discriminatory against that man’s sex. That’s my simplified understanding of the ruling.

No, that is discriminatory against his sexual orientation...not his sex. His sex is male. His orientation is male. He isn't being discriminated against because he is male. He is being discrimnated against because his sexual orientation is to males.

Now Hobby Lobby will have to hire people that are living a lifestyle that goes against their beliefs.

This ruling is going to have drastic drastic results for religious freedom

 

[mict085]

So a school shouldn't be able to discriminate against a convicted child molester?

I can play this game too

Dude. You’re arguing that someone different than you = criminal. Not the same.

If you can discriminate against someone that is gay, the. They can discriminate against you for being a Christian. See how that works? The law protects ALL citizens against discrimination. Period. As it should.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Again, I disagree. The law of the land protects everyone’s right to work, not just some. Every citizen should be protected under the law. You can disagree with others lifestyle but you can’t attack their right to work.

They still have a right to work...just not anywhere they want.

What about felons? Why isn't their right to work being protected?

 

[mict085]

No, that is discriminatory against his sexual orientation...not his sex. His sex is male. His orientation is male. He isn't being discriminated against because he is male. He is being discrimnated against because his sexual orientation is to males.

Now Hobby Lobby will have to hire people that are living a lifestyle that goes against their beliefs.

This ruling is going to have drastic drastic results for religious freedom

This isn’t true either, unless they just passed some affirmative action law that I’m unaware of.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Dude. You’re arguing that someone different than you = criminal. Not the same.

If you can discriminate against someone that is gay, the. They can discriminate against you for being a Christian. See how that works? The law protects ALL citizens against discrimination. Period. As it should.

I'm using your words. you said NO ONE for any reason can be descriminated against. Now you are qualifying it.

I am fine if a company wants to desciminate against me for being a Christian. I will go find somewhere else to work. Why would I want to work for someone that doesn't want Christians to work for them? It is common sense

 

[SoonerBounce13]

This isn’t true either, unless they just passed some affirmative action law that I’m unaware of.

Just wait.

The courts will be full of cases of companies getting sued because they weren't given the job because of their orientation.

 

[mict085]

They still have a right to work...just not anywhere they want.

What about felons? Why isn't their right to work being protected?

I believe you may be hopeless.

Felons forfeit some of their rights when they commit a felony. As they should.

You continue to compare apples to oranges. Not the same.

 

[BCSooners]

How is a basic right being denied?

There are two issues here that have to be separated. The legalities of this ruling and the beliefs of the individual. They could lead to different conclusions. One could be for the effects of the decision without thinking it was the correct legal decision

By not allowing employment by discrimination. Right for self-determination & right for Liberty.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I believe you may be hopeless.

Felons forfeit some of their rights when they commit a felony. As they should.

You continue to compare apples to oranges. Not the same.

Maybe you should edit your post if that isn't what you meant. It isn't my fault that I proved your post wrong. It was a poorly worded post

 

[SoonerBounce13]

By not allowing employment by discrimination. Right for self-determination & right for Liberty.

So they can't work anywhere because one company won't hire them?

We don't have the right to work for whomever we want to

 

[mict085]

Just wait.

The courts will be full of cases of companies getting sued because they weren't given the job because of their orientation.

Good luck proving that in a court of law. I sense a lot of fear in you. Are you afraid you might actually have to work with someone who is gay? Gasp.

 

[thebigabd]

See, this is why humanity is awesome.... For days mict085 has been going at me hard, and then in this thread he comes through with flying colors, good logic, moral reasoning, etc...

I don't even have to say anything at this point, just ditto what mict085 is saying here.

Great posting on this topic, mict085.

 

[mict085]

Maybe you should edit your post if that isn't what you meant. It isn't my fault that I proved your post wrong. It was a poorly worded post

You equate gay as criminal. Maybe you should change the way you think.