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That Chris Wallace interview with Trump was unbelievable.... I am glad Wallace took it to him. Trump is either delusional or desperate, knowing that he is trailing big in the polls. That interview was a total disaster for Trump.

Wallace finally put an end to this absurdity on the "we only have cases because we do more testing" non-sense.... Tests are up 37%, cases are up 194%. Period. End of story.

You could see Trump's desperation when Wallace put him on the spot about responsibility for our situation and he got mad and said it shouldn't even be here because China let it out. "It shouldn't be one case, it came from China, they should have never let it escape"....

Wallace says, "they have 6,000 cases in the entire European Union"..... Trump says "they don't test!".... That isn't true. And the only reason we are doing so many tests here is because everyone is getting sick.... We've got nearly 60,000 people sucking on ventilators in the hospital right now.

Wallace says "isn't it possible that they don't have the virus as badly in Europe as we do here?".... Trump responds, "its possible that they don't test, thats what possible"....

Then Wallace REALLY fact-checked Trump on saying he wants to defund the police... Wallace said "sir, no he doesn't"... Trump cites some thing that Biden signed and it flat out doesn't say it. In fact, the thing says to give more money to police. Trump has someone give him a paper, he can't find where it says it, and Trump says he can't find it because the paper is "many pages long"..... It's not in there. Wallace knew ahead of time it wasn't in there.

The Confederate Flag part was pretty ridiculous too... He was asked if the Confederate Flag is offensive, and Wallace points out that these guys were traitors and were fighting to keep slavery. Trump says it's not offensive, and that is represents "freedom of many, many things".... Uhhh, what? That's not even a coherent answer.

There is more to go into.... but in one stretch Wallace asks if he thinks Biden is senile, and he says he doesn't want to say that... Then 30 seconds later he says Biden has lost it mentally and "doesnt even know he's alive", lol. So he won't say Biden is senile, but will say that he doesn't even know he's alive.
It was not a good interview for trump

I still think it is laughable that people think Biden doesn't want to defund the police. Maybe he hasn't said it outright but he will go along with it if that is what dems want

As for the EU, it was just last week that the US finally passed the EU in deaths. So let's not act like the EU is some shining example of response. They are not testing as much and they had a head start.
 
It was not a good interview for trump

I still think it is laughable that people think Biden doesn't want to defund the police. Maybe he hasn't said it outright but he will go along with it if that is what dems want

As for the EU, it was just last week that the US finally passed the EU in deaths. So let's not act like the EU is some shining example of response. They are not testing as much and they had a head start.

just as I can't believe the tripe maintained by the right about exactly what that means. it's a ****ty phrase to describe a good idea.

Police have NO business being used as social workers, DHS employees, animal shelter workers, APS agents et al. They don't have the training or the temperament for it. Those "responsibilities" need to go away and have needed to go away since they first started.
 
just as I can't believe the tripe maintained by the right about exactly what that means. it's a ****ty phrase to describe a good idea.

Police have NO business being used as social workers, DHS employees, animal shelter workers, APS agents et al. They don't have the training or the temperament for it. Those "responsibilities" need to go away and have needed to go away since they first started.
i'm sure that is exactly what people that chant defund the police want...
 
have you asked them? or is this just you guessing and making a critique based on your guess?

No need to ask. They are usually chanting it along with some profanities hurling at police officers.

It is simple...we don't need to make it complicated. They want less money to go to cops in hopes that will make them stop killing black people. And some don't just say defund...they say do away with.

And we can already see what will happen if cops are defunded. Look at Norman. How many officers have they lost since voting on the defunding?

There will not be enough officers or resources and it will result in a lot of good people deciding to quit or not be cops.

They don't need less money...they need more money for better training and better equipment (cameras,etc)

I'm sorry cool, but you are smart enough to know what the demands of teh "defund the police" are...it is a simple rebranding of the nwa classic
 
My favorite part is when Trump is bragging about how well he did on the cognitive test... the one they give to Alzheimer's patients. Wallace says he took the test and it wasn't hard. Trump says the last 7 questions were hard and he doubts if Wallace could answer them correctly. The last few questions are things like, "what day is it?" "what city are you in?" It would be hilarious if it wasn't so frightening that this imbecile has the nuclear codes. And you're right, Joe Biden should send him an edible arrangement thanking him for doing that off-the-rails interview.

That part was pure gold, and I am glad Wallace called him out on it... That test is not a measure of intellect, but Trump clearly thinks it is. It's a test that you are given to see if you have a mental defect.
 
No need to ask.

Here's a thought: "I don't have enough information to make an educated decision" is an answer you could also use.

I dont think you have enough experience and knowledge regarding this subject to interject such an opinion. I've read thousands of pol.ice reports and represented thousands of these cases ... including many instances of such overstepping. What about you?

How many clients have you had die in the county jail because they weren't given adequate medical attention following their arrest?

How many cases have you had to quickly file a case on for others just so the notice requirement will be met for the tort claims act?

How many clients have you had commit and attempt to commit suicide by cop?

How many clients have you sent to Vinita to keep them out of DOC because Northcare or some other facility told you they'd never make it in GP?

How many clients have you had beaten up by cops and other inmates in the county jail because they were having psychotic episodes?

It's NOT just a matter of training and education. Half the santa fe division doesn't belong in the uniform at all. A hammer (or a gun and fist) isn't the proper tool for every case.

I'm sorry cool, but you are smart enough to know what the demands of teh "defund the police" are...it is a simple rebranding of the nwa classic

All politics and personals aside ... if you genuinely believe this then you have a serious blind spot.
 
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Here's a thought: "I don't have enough information to make an educated decision" is an answer you could also use.

I dont think you have enough experience and knowledge regarding this subject to interject such an opinion. I've read thousands of pol.ice reports and represented thousands of these cases ... including many instances of such overstepping. What about you?

How many clients have you had die in the county jail because they weren't given adequate medical attention following their arrest?

How many cases have you had to quickly file a case on for others just so the notice requirement will be met for the tort claims act?

How many clients have you had commit and attempt to commit suicide by cop?

How many clients have you sent to Vinita to keep them out of DOC because Northcare or some other facility told you they'd never make it in GP?

How many clients have you had beaten up by cops and other inmates in the county jail because they were having psychotic episodes?

It's NOT just a matter of training and education. Half the santa fe division doesn't belong in the uniform at all. A hammer (or a gun and fist) isn't the proper tool for every case.
it really sounds like you are arguing for more training my man...not your best
 
it really sounds like you are arguing for more training my man...not your best

and you base that on what? It "sounds" like? This right here is the type of crap I keep pointing out. You offer up these observations without the foggiest notion what is going on or why. Why don't you use your vast knowledge and explain to me how "training" is going to overcome the loyalty culture embedded within police enforcement?

better yet - why dont you just admit you dont know enough about this issue to make even a semi-educated observation?
 
No need to ask. They are usually chanting it along with some profanities hurling at police officers.

It is simple...we don't need to make it complicated. They want less money to go to cops in hopes that will make them stop killing black people. And some don't just say defund...they say do away with.

And we can already see what will happen if cops are defunded. Look at Norman. How many officers have they lost since voting on the defunding?

There will not be enough officers or resources and it will result in a lot of good people deciding to quit or not be cops.

They don't need less money...they need more money for better training and better equipment (cameras,etc)



I'm sorry cool, but you are smart enough to know what the demands of teh "defund the police" are...it is a simple rebranding of the nwa classic

There's a video of young people protesting the police and they do it by throwing items at innocent people in cars. When one driver turns around and approaches the young group one of the individuals says "call the police."
 
There's a video of young people protesting the police and they do it by throwing items at innocent people in cars. When one driver turns around and approaches the young group one of the individuals says "call the police."

and just exactly WHAT does that story have to do with anything? What mystical, twisted point are you hoping to prove here?

THIS is a very typical story. I'm gonna estimate it gets press maybe 1 time out of 250 instances around the metro area. I've represented no less than 30 different defendants ( I can picture them all in my head still) who have encountered exactly this same situation. A few are dead now thanks to this or a subsequent similar happening.

https://www.normantranscript.com/ne...cle_6e0aac28-0974-11e8-8fec-23493e8b5ae6.html
 
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and just exactly WHAT does that story have to do with anything? What mystical, twisted point are you hoping to prove here?

He's trying to muddy the waters with one-off examples... like when he suggests what to think about black people who support the confederacy. I am guessing he saw a clip on OANN or RT about some black people who love the confederacy or something.
 
He's trying to muddy the waters with one-off examples... like when he suggests what to think about black people who support the confederacy. I am guessing he saw a clip on OANN or RT about some black people who love the confederacy or something.

Wrong again. The artistry that is you.
 
and you base that on what? It "sounds" like? This right here is the type of crap I keep pointing out. You offer up these observations without the foggiest notion what is going on or why. Why don't you use your vast knowledge and explain to me how "training" is going to overcome the loyalty culture embedded within police enforcement?

better yet - why dont you just admit you dont know enough about this issue to make even a semi-educated observation?

So do the 18 year old hipsters wanting the police defunded know enough about the issue to make a semi-educated observation?

We know that you think you are special because you are a lawyer...we hear enough about it and your special experience.

This is a message board. If you don't like my opinion and don't think I should state it, you have the option to pass on by.

I'll take my limited experience with the police and what has happened in the last month to know that a world with less funding for police is not a good idea.

How about you go ask the residents of Norman, OK if they are OK with less funding?

NORMAN, Okla. - News 9 has learned a total of eight officers have either resigned or filed for retirement since June 16.
 
Look, police are under a microscope right now.... and enough evidence has surfaced to know there are legitimate problems. We need to take a step back and evaluate what the problems are, and work to solve them. During that time, people are going to mad, people are hurt, people want change and want to be heard, and it's going to be a little over the top sometimes. We have to let that pressure, that fear, that anxiety, etc be vented. If you try to bottle it up, things won't change. People will forget, lose interest, and go back to normal. We can't have that.

We see that too many times on other issues. A bunch of kids get gunned down, we got upset for awhile, and it goes away. A black man gets murdered by police, we get upset for awhile, and it goes away.

This seems different. This seems like it has some staying power. But we must not turn our attention to things like "defunding" the police. We need to stay on message and not turn this into a debate about whether or not to have police. A small group of people want that... they are loud, but they are small. The vast majority of people want police, they just want police to be different. By focusing on the tiny few who want to defund the police, it takes attention away from the real issues, and more importantly, the real solutions. It's a distraction. The man on the top floor (Trump) is pushing that narrative as hard as he can, and his conservative news apparatus as well.

This is a pivot.... They want you fighting about not having police at all. They don't want you fighting for racial justice. That isn't good for him politically. That's why he does what he does.
 
So do the 18 year old hipsters wanting the police defunded know enough about the issue to make a semi-educated observation?

We know that you think you are special because you are a lawyer...we hear enough about it and your special experience.

This is a message board. If you don't like my opinion and don't think I should state it, you have the option to pass on by.

I'll take my limited experience with the police and what has happened in the last month to know that a world with less funding for police is not a good idea.

How about you go ask the residents of Norman, OK if they are OK with less funding?


The crime rate in a number of municipalities, which have taken the direction of defunding, are seeing increased crime and many residents are rethinking their stances on the issue and they every reason to.

The following is a vid of both white and black people asked if police are necessary in the NYC area. The contrast between the two groups is a broad one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyTTxWtOBZM
 
So do the 18 year old hipsters wanting the police defunded know enough about the issue to make a semi-educated observation?

We know that you think you are special because you are a lawyer...we hear enough about it and your special experience.

This is a message board. If you don't like my opinion and don't think I should state it, you have the option to pass on by.

I'll take my limited experience with the police and what has happened in the last month to know that a world with less funding for police is not a good idea.

How about you go ask the residents of Norman, OK if they are OK with less funding?

yet more of this "I can get on the internet so I am an expert" culture. Just because you saw something on Faux "news" doesn't make you an expert in the field. Given their general bias it teaches you nothing actually. In fact, it teaches you just enough about the subject to be dangerous because it makes you THINK you know something and then gets you to spew nonsense like we see here.

special? You ridicule me because I have experience and know what I am talking about? It' always strikes me as funny how the right distrusts knowledge and experience unless it agrees with them. And OF COURSE I bring it up when you guys offer some of the most myopic, ill-informed, and frankly ignorant observations one can imagine based solely on your failure to understand the issues at hand.

the residents of Norman? the people who are against masks and limiting police activities are about as clueless on the topics as your arguments here ... and they by no means represent all of Norman. Nor do they represent a reasonable position.

cops leaving? good riddance. it's better they self-id and leave rather than be terminated. we can always find more ex-HS jocks who wish to bully people around and get paid for it. Perhaps we'll screen these new ones better.
 
Look, police are under a microscope right now.... and enough evidence has surfaced to know there are legitimate problems. We need to take a step back and evaluate what the problems are, and work to solve them. During that time, people are going to mad, people are hurt, people want change and want to be heard, and it's going to be a little over the top sometimes. We have to let that pressure, that fear, that anxiety, etc be vented. If you try to bottle it up, things won't change. People will forget, lose interest, and go back to normal. We can't have that.

We see that too many times on other issues. A bunch of kids get gunned down, we got upset for awhile, and it goes away. A black man gets murdered by police, we get upset for awhile, and it goes away.

This seems different. This seems like it has some staying power. But we must not turn our attention to things like "defunding" the police. We need to stay on message and not turn this into a debate about whether or not to have police. A small group of people want that... they are loud, but they are small. The vast majority of people want police, they just want police to be different. By focusing on the tiny few who want to defund the police, it takes attention away from the real issues, and more importantly, the real solutions. It's a distraction. The man on the top floor (Trump) is pushing that narrative as hard as he can, and his conservative news apparatus as well.

This is a pivot.... They want you fighting about not having police at all. They don't want you fighting for racial justice. That isn't good for him politically. That's why he does what he does.

The ironic thing is that you are making a point here (and a good one) that we can't let the few bad take away from the issue and reality of the majority.

The irony is that I could say the same thing about the police...why are we letting the few bad apples cause a massive movement and reform of the police?

I do not want to get into all the stats again but this issue of systematic racism is questionable at best
 
yet more of this "I can get on the internet so I am an expert" culture. Just because you saw something on Faux "news" doesn't make you an expert in the field. Given their general bias it teaches you nothing actually. In fact, it teaches you just enough about the subject to be dangerous because it makes you THINK you know something and then gets you to spew nonsense like we see here.

special? You ridicule me because I have experience and know what I am talking about? It' always strikes me as funny how the right distrusts knowledge and experience unless it agrees with them. And OF COURSE I bring it up when you guys offer some of the most myopic, ill-informed, and frankly ignorant observations one can imagine based solely on your failure to understand the issues at hand.

the residents of Norman? the people who are against masks and limiting police activities are about as clueless on the topics as your arguments here ... and they by no means represent all of Norman. Nor do they represent a reasonable position.

cops leaving? good riddance. it's better they self-id and leave rather than be terminated. we can always find more ex-HS jocks who wish to bully people around and get paid for it. Perhaps we'll screen these new ones better.

wow...just wow
 
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