Current Events Thread

[BCSooners]

You explicitly used the word "convicted."

Of murder dipsh*t. Actually punished, not community service or probation.

 

[WTSooner]

Teachers who rape their students go to jail & are reported sex offenders. The problem is police don’t get convicted when they kill an innocent person.

The problem is there are a lot of cases that half the country thinks the cop was in the wrong, and the other half thinks policing that way is necessary.

Best example is the frickin' office involved shooting that started this on in Ferguson, MO. I have yet to see a single fact that makes me question that that cop was 100% in the right to shoot and kill Mike Brown. Not a one. Yet there is so much misinformation spread about that shooting, and it's used as some kind of rallying cry.

Insane.

 

[BCSooners]

The problem is there are a lot of cases that half the country thinks the cop was in the wrong, and the other half thinks policing that way is necessary.

Best example is the frickin' office involved shooting that started this on in Ferguson, MO. I have yet to see a single fact that makes me question that that cop was 100% in the right to shoot and kill Mike Brown. Not a one. Yet there is so much misinformation spread about that shooting, and it's used as some kind of rallying cry.

Insane.

I may be wrong, but I’ve yet to see a poster bring that up as a defense. Breonna Taylor, Elijah McClain, Philando Castile, George Floyd, Eric Garner, all the cases Sheep posted in that article, etc.. Those are the cases that are obvious & nothing is being done.

 

[WTSooner]

I may be wrong, but I’ve yet to see a poster bring that up as a defense. Breonna Taylor, Elijah McClain, Philando Castile, George Floyd, Eric Garner, all the cases Sheep posted in that article, etc.. Those are the cases that are obvious & nothing is being done.

I disagree that all of those are cases that should see law enforcement locked up. Maybe none of them are as black and white as the Mike Brown shooting, but not all of them are outright murder either.

 

[thebigabd]

Most of these criminals could get a job if they wanted to. Convince us how having a job is worse then being in jail and setting oneself up for more of the same. It is a choice and people on both sides of the law make it apparent each and every day.

It's a complicated topic.... but being very poor is horrible. The stress of working humiliating jobs for very little pay, working multiple jobs, getting on government assistance (because your job doesn't pay you enough to live), living in dangerous areas, is intolerable for a lot people.

There is actually a school of thought that committing certain crimes is a better alternative than a struggling life of being poor. And before you say "ok, well don't get a job that makes you poor", keep in mind again that nearly 45% of the country makes less than $15 an hour. A large portion of jobs out there make you poor.

We need to do the things i said to lift these communities up. Better schools, tech training, community improvements, drug rehabilitation. We shouldn't have any ghettos or broken down communities. We can fix that.

We have to fix what jobs pay... we have to fix the communities... We have to fix the education... We have to fix the opportunity.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Of murder dipsh*t. Actually punished, not community service or probation.

"I didn’t know about the 1 in that article. The rest got off with nothing, a slap on the wrist, or got $350,000."

Of the following 3 were convicted and 2 await their outcome.

AMBER GUYGER

Guyger was indicted in November and convicted Tuesday for the September 2018 killing of 26-year-old Botham Jean. Authorities say Guyger told investigators that while returning home from work, she mistook Jean's door for her own and that she shot him inside his home when he didn't obey her commands. In Texas, the sentence for murder is from five to 99 years in prison, but the judge also instructed jurors on a so-called sudden passion defense, which carries a range of two to 20 years behind bars.

JASON VAN DYKE

A jury convicted Officer Jason Van Dyke of second-degree murder in the 2014 fatal shooting of Laquan McDonald. The white Chicago police officer shot the black teenager 16 times. The release of police dashcam video 13 months after the shooting sparked large protests and led to the ouster of Chicago's top police official. Three other officers were acquitted of trying to cover up the shooting.

ROY OLIVER

Oliver was convicted of murder in the 2017 death of 15-year-old Jordan Edwards and was sentenced to 15 years in prison. Oliver, a white police officer in the Dallas suburb of Balch Springs, fired into a car packed with black teenagers, killing Edwards.

RYAN POWNALL

Pownall is charged with third-degree murder for the 2017 death of 30-year-old David Jones, who was shot in the back as he fled. Pownall, who is white, was fired from the Philadelphia police force last year. He is awaiting trial.


ANDREW DELKE

Delke, a white police officer in Nashville, Tennessee, was charged with criminal homicide in the death of 25-year-old Daniel Hambrick after surveillance footage appeared to show him chasing the black man and opening fire as he fled from the officer in July. Delke claims Hambrick pointed a gun at him, but prosecutors question that claim. A grand jury indicted Delke in January on a charge of first-degree murder.

 

[BCSooners]

I disagree that all of those are cases that should see law enforcement locked up. Maybe none of them are as black and white as the Mike Brown shooting, but not all of them are outright murder either.

They all seem like it to me, some are blatant murder. Especially when the cops are giving false reports or leaving important aspects out.

 

[WTSooner]

It's a complicated topic.... but being very poor is horrible. The stress of working humiliating jobs for very little pay, working multiple jobs, getting on government assistance (because your job doesn't pay you enough to live), living in dangerous areas, is intolerable for a lot people.

There is actually a school of thought that committing certain crimes is a better alternative than a struggling life of being poor. And before you say "ok, well don't get a job that makes you poor", keep in mind again that nearly 45% of the country makes less than $15 an hour. A large portion of jobs out there make you poor.

We need to do the things i said to lift these communities up. Better schools, tech training, community improvements, drug rehabilitation. We shouldn't have any ghettos or broken down communities. We can fix that.

We have to fix what jobs pay... we have to fix the communities... We have to fix the education... We have to fix the opportunity.

I agree with a lot of that, but those people also need to learn to budget. And what costs are necessary vs what costs are desired. And that putting in hard work to turn things around, even if it's two jobs, or mowing lawns on the weekend, or whatever, is the way out. Not stealing. Or robbing. Or murdering.

When I see "poor people" with brand new Jordans, or a new iPhone, or a car that is much nicer/newer than required, or they insist on living above their means in many, many other ways, it's tough for me to feel sorry for them.

Maybe that is mean of me, but if you aren't helping yourself first and foremost, don't look to overs to help you. I have zero problems helping those that are truly trying to better themselves. I have zero desire to help those that won't get off their backside to help themselves.

 

[thebigabd]

but those people also need to learn to budget. And what costs are necessary vs what costs are desired. And that putting in hard work to turn things around, even if it's two jobs, or mowing lawns on the weekend, or whatever, is the way out.

Sure, basic financial practices need to be taught in school... but the kind of thing you are talking about is more complicated than it sounds. Their parents have no money, no net worth... Their grandparents have no money, no net worth. Many have no concept of how to deal with money.

Lots of these people we are talking about live hard lives.... And they get a little bit of coin and want SOMETHING nice. So you see them with a nice pair of jeans, or a phone, and it makes you think a certain way.... but I see that and think something different. I think of a life that basically sucks, and is hard, and has minimal opportunity, and a feeling of hopelessness, and the dude (or gal) has probably had about 5 nice things ever in their life.... You can't come down on someone too hard for wanting something nice when you've never had anything nice.

My poor friend I referenced earlier.... the military saved his ass. VERY poor family. He was always the kid in school that had the ****ty bike, bad clothes, no name-brand anything, got teased, etc... Well, he just got a nice rank promotion and the first thing he did was go buy some dumb car, lol. That trend is pretty common with poor people. It's hard to tell people with nothing that when they finally get something, to save it and not buy a phone or a nice pair of clothes. Does that make sense?

It kind of reminds me of that Chase Bank commercial a few years ago that caused so much stir... They were basically telling poor people to eat bologna sandwiches at home and drink water, lol. They have no clue the reality of what they are talking about. Is it bad financial advice? No. But there is more to that story.

Another example I saw was from PSO.... they show how to save money on your utility bills. All you have to do is set your AC to 79 in the summer, and 66 or 67 in the winter. So just sweat and freeze your ass off and you will save some money! See poor people, you can do it! Just don't use lights, watch TV, or use your heat/air!

 

[BCSooners]

"I didn’t know about the 1 in that article. The rest got off with nothing, a slap on the wrist, or got $350,000."



AMBER GUYGER

Guyger was indicted in November and convicted Tuesday for the September 2018 killing of 26-year-old Botham Jean. Authorities say Guyger told investigators that while returning home from work, she mistook Jean's door for her own and that she shot him inside his home when he didn't obey her commands. In Texas, the sentence for murder is from five to 99 years in prison, but the judge also instructed jurors on a so-called sudden passion defense, which carries a range of two to 20 years behind bars.

JASON VAN DYKE

A jury convicted Officer Jason Van Dyke of second-degree murder in the 2014 fatal shooting of Laquan McDonald. The white Chicago police officer shot the black teenager 16 times. The release of police dashcam video 13 months after the shooting sparked large protests and led to the ouster of Chicago's top police official. Three other officers were acquitted of trying to cover up the shooting.

ROY OLIVER

Oliver was convicted of murder in the 2017 death of 15-year-old Jordan Edwards and was sentenced to 15 years in prison. Oliver, a white police officer in the Dallas suburb of Balch Springs, fired into a car packed with black teenagers, killing Edwards.

RYAN POWNALL

Pownall is charged with third-degree murder for the 2017 death of 30-year-old David Jones, who was shot in the back as he fled. Pownall, who is white, was fired from the Philadelphia police force last year. He is awaiting trial.


ANDREW DELKE

Delke, a white police officer in Nashville, Tennessee, was charged with criminal homicide in the death of 25-year-old Daniel Hambrick after surveillance footage appeared to show him chasing the black man and opening fire as he fled from the officer in July. Delke claims Hambrick pointed a gun at him, but prosecutors question that claim. A grand jury indicted Delke in January on a charge of first-degree murder.

1) she was off duty
2) I missed that one, even though it shows he got away with it for 13 months covering up a murder & the officers helping him got nothing.
3) that’s the 1 I gave you. He also lied on the police report.
4) not convicted
5) not convicted

 

[sheepdogs1]

It's a complicated topic.... but being very poor is horrible. The stress of working humiliating jobs for very little pay, working multiple jobs, getting on government assistance (because your job doesn't pay you enough to live), living in dangerous areas, is intolerable for a lot people.

There is actually a school of thought that committing certain crimes is a better alternative than a struggling life of being poor. And before you say "ok, well don't get a job that makes you poor", keep in mind again that nearly 45% of the country makes less than $15 an hour. A large portion of jobs out there make you poor.

We need to do the things i said to lift these communities up. Better schools, tech training, community improvements, drug rehabilitation. We shouldn't have any ghettos or broken down communities. We can fix that.

We have to fix what jobs pay... we have to fix the communities... We have to fix the education... We have to fix the opportunity.

And we also need to fix the moral obligation we have to our own selves and to others while were at it, for just putting money in the pockets of individuals does not, in and of itself, change the morality found in people.

 

[thebigabd]

And we also need to fix the moral obligation we have to our own selves and to others while were at it, for just putting money in the pockets of individuals does not, in and of itself, change the morality found in people.

I don't think we can move forward until the communities, schools, opportunities, pay, etc are truly equal. Anything less and we stay in the status quo.

Rugged individualism won't work... the white middle class crowd seems to always pitch rugged individualism. That is the proper message if its your 19 year old son who grew up with every opportunity but can't get his butt in gear. It's the wrong message if its an impoverished 19 year old who got a terrible education, is discriminated against, and has been beaten down in a hard life for 19 years. Not allowing that to ever happen in the first place is the way out.

 

[mict085]

I don't think we can move forward until the communities, schools, opportunities, pay, etc are truly equal. Anything less and we stay in the status quo.

Rugged individualism won't work... the white middle class crowd seems to always pitch rugged individualism. That is the proper message if its your 19 year old son who grew up with every opportunity but can't get his butt in gear. It's the wrong message if its an impoverished 19 year old who got a terrible education, is discriminated against, and has been beaten down in a hard life for 19 years. Not allowing that to ever happen in the first place is the way out.

Most of the areas you describe, the vast majority, are governed by democrats. The dems have done absolutely nothing for their constituents for 75 years, while they get rich. The answer is to stop voting democrat.

 

[coolm]

Most of the areas you describe, the vast majority, are governed by democrats. The dems have done absolutely nothing for their constituents for 75 years, while they get rich. The answer is to stop voting democrat.

now agent orange is sending his brown shirt secret police to cities other than Portland. this is what you guys have done and somehow you're "proud" of it? you may as well just call yourselves tories.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...amOeCDYFoWCCThgrL56zPQFBuBfFaR_D0KmgaJTo6ZCyI

 

[sheepdogs1]

I don't think we can move forward until the communities, schools, opportunities, pay, etc are truly equal. Anything less and we stay in the status quo.

Rugged individualism won't work... the white middle class crowd seems to always pitch rugged individualism. That is the proper message if its your 19 year old son who grew up with every opportunity but can't get his butt in gear. It's the wrong message if its an impoverished 19 year old who got a terrible education, is discriminated against, and has been beaten down in a hard life for 19 years. Not allowing that to ever happen in the first place is the way out.

Some people who are poor have morals and there are those who do not. I don't believe people are given morals for they are adopted by some and shunned by the rest. Certain parts of the culture have adopted poor morals and it has become a way of life for many. Sometimes the drawing board needs to be revisited.

 

[WTSooner]

I don't think we can move forward until the communities, schools, opportunities, pay, etc are truly equal. Anything less and we stay in the status quo.

Rugged individualism won't work... the white middle class crowd seems to always pitch rugged individualism. That is the proper message if its your 19 year old son who grew up with every opportunity but can't get his butt in gear. It's the wrong message if its an impoverished 19 year old who got a terrible education, is discriminated against, and has been beaten down in a hard life for 19 years. Not allowing that to ever happen in the first place is the way out.

You have no idea how unequal schools are.

You live in Tulsa.....how many hours have you spent in any of North Tulsa's public school classrooms? I'm guessing none. Am I trying to say that a kid coming out of one of those schools, let's say Rogers, gets the same education as a kid coming out of Jenks? Of course not. But if a kid goes to Rogers and pays attention and wants to learn (that is on the kid and his family, not the school), they will most definitely leave school with an education that would allow them to not live in poverty.

The bigger problem is that kid probably comes from a broken home, and would struggle to learn even at a better school b/c of his/her home life and expectations from family (ie, single mother).

I know PLENTY of folks that grew up pretty poor, or very, VERY bottom middle class, that worked hard, went through a mediocre school system, and made something of themselves. Most all of them had a 2 parent household.

 

[stormspencer]

You have no idea how unequal schools are.

You live in Tulsa.....how many hours have you spent in any of North Tulsa's public school classrooms? I'm guessing none. Am I trying to say that a kid coming out of one of those schools, let's say Rogers, gets the same education as a kid coming out of Jenks? Of course not. But if a kid goes to Rogers and pays attention and wants to learn (that is on the kid and his family, not the school), they will most definitely leave school with an education that would allow them to not live in poverty.

The bigger problem is that kid probably comes from a broken home, and would struggle to learn even at a better school b/c of his/her home life and expectations from family (ie, single mother).

I know PLENTY of folks that grew up pretty poor, or very, VERY bottom middle class, that worked hard, went through a mediocre school system, and made something of themselves. Most all of them had a 2 parent household.

I just found the study online and it is a little bit older, but basically you have to do three things that will significantly decrease your chances of living at or below the poverty line:
1. Graduate High School
2. Get a job
3. Don't have kids before you're married

https://www.brookings.edu/research/work-and-marriage-the-way-to-end-poverty-and-welfare/

"Thus, the poverty rate among families with children could be lowered by 71 percent if the poor completed high school, worked full-time, married, and had no more than two children."

It isn't a guarantee by any means, but the statistics are startling....if you take the above approach. So the million dollar question (no pun intended) is how do you get this message out as well as get the folks who need to hear it....to listen.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Here's to sticking up for your brother.




https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...r_lamb_outraised_by_pa_challenger_143754.html

 

[WTSooner]

I just found the study online and it is a little bit older, but basically you have to do three things that will significantly decrease your chances of living at or below the poverty line:
1. Graduate High School
2. Get a job
3. Don't have kids before you're married

https://www.brookings.edu/research/work-and-marriage-the-way-to-end-poverty-and-welfare/

"Thus, the poverty rate among families with children could be lowered by 71 percent if the poor completed high school, worked full-time, married, and had no more than two children."

It isn't a guarantee by any means, but the statistics are startling....if you take the above approach. So the million dollar question (no pun intended) is how do you get this message out as well as get the folks who need to hear it....to listen.

I agree 100%. And I'd add one more piece to the get the job bullet point. Get a job, and KEEP a job. That allows you to move up. To turn an entry level job into a more over time. Too many people can't or don't keep a job, don't want to show up regularly and have a job like that, can't pass a drug test, so they bounce from entry level job to entry level job.

I have two brothers that did about a day of college each. Wasn't for them. Both live pretty solid lives financially, b/c they found jobs and stuck with it. Both are hard workers. Both have moved up, in part, b/c they've been at the same place of employment for years (decades even).

 

[SoonerBounce13]

https://www.complicitclergy.com/2020/07/16/attacks-on-catholics/