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Jacob Blake is currently paralyzed from the waist down, after being shot 7 times in the back at point blank range by a police officer. Donald Trump Jr. pointed out a Tweet showing the criminal history of Jacob Blake.

Some comments from the sports and political world out there:

"I know the cops are probably upset he’s still alive. I know they surely tried to kill him. But to almost take a guy's life, especially in front of one's kids, that wasn't resisting, in his back at point-blank range, is a heartless and gutless situation. We need some justice for that."
-George Hill, Milwaukee Bucks

"This is why we don't feel safe"
-Donovan Mitchell, Utah Jazz

"Stop killing unarmed black people"
-Michael Thomas, New Orleans Saints

"3 officers, 1 guy? And the only way to subdue him was to shoot him 7 times?"
-Cameron Jordan, New Orleans Saints

"If you still don’t understand what 'Black Lives Matter' means and is about then you are blind and flat out ignorant to real problem. OUR LIVES MATTER....STOP (expletive) KILLING US. STOP SHOOTING US....JUST (expletive) STOP."
-Kevin Hart

"There's a systemic problem. Until the problem is fixed, this is going to be an all-too-common sighting in this country"
-Aaron Rogers, Green Bay Packers
 
these comments show a complete lack of intelligence by athletes.
Especially George Hill's. Wasn't resisting? How can people watch the same video and come up with completely different opinions?

I guess I shouldn't be surprised. I mean there was a video where a guy was clearly resisting and stole a cops weapon and people still said he shouldn't have been shot.

thebigabd said:
Jacob Blake is currently paralyzed from the waist down, after being shot 7 times in the back at point blank range by a police officer. Donald Trump Jr. pointed out a Tweet showing the criminal history of Jacob Blake.

Some comments from the sports and political world out there:

"I know the cops are probably upset he’s still alive. I know they surely tried to kill him. But to almost take a guy's life, especially in front of one's kids, that wasn't resisting, in his back at point-blank range, is a heartless and gutless situation. We need some justice for that."
-George Hill, Milwaukee Bucks

"This is why we don't feel safe"
-Donovan Mitchell, Utah Jazz

"Stop killing unarmed black people"
-Michael Thomas, New Orleans Saints

"3 officers, 1 guy? And the only way to subdue him was to shoot him 7 times?"
-Cameron Jordan, New Orleans Saints

"If you still don’t understand what 'Black Lives Matter' means and is about then you are blind and flat out ignorant to real problem. OUR LIVES MATTER....STOP (expletive) KILLING US. STOP SHOOTING US....JUST (expletive) STOP."
-Kevin Hart

"There's a systemic problem. Until the problem is fixed, this is going to be an all-too-common sighting in this country"
-Aaron Rogers, Green Bay Packers
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SoonerBounce13 said:
these comments show a complete lack of intelligence by athletes.
Especially George Hill's. Wasn't resisting? How can people watch the same video and come up with completely different opinions?

I guess I shouldn't be surprised. I mean there was a video where a guy was clearly resisting and stole a cops weapon and people still said he shouldn't have been shot.
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It is all political in nature. I mean 7,500 blacks were murdered last year and they think preventing a half dozen will change things dramatically. No, ignoring 7,500 will not change anything, but it is not political to address gang violence or broken homes, which leads to violence. Chicago alone has 150k gang members. Address that one issue and you will save hundreds more times the lives, but they won't for political power is more important.
 
thebigabd said:
Jacob Blake is currently paralyzed from the waist down, after being shot 7 times in the back at point blank range by a police officer. Donald Trump Jr. pointed out a Tweet showing the criminal history of Jacob Blake.

Some comments from the sports and political world out there:

"I know the cops are probably upset he’s still alive. I know they surely tried to kill him. But to almost take a guy's life, especially in front of one's kids, that wasn't resisting, in his back at point-blank range, is a heartless and gutless situation. We need some justice for that."
-George Hill, Milwaukee Bucks

"This is why we don't feel safe"
-Donovan Mitchell, Utah Jazz

"Stop killing unarmed black people"
-Michael Thomas, New Orleans Saints

"3 officers, 1 guy? And the only way to subdue him was to shoot him 7 times?"
-Cameron Jordan, New Orleans Saints

"If you still don’t understand what 'Black Lives Matter' means and is about then you are blind and flat out ignorant to real problem. OUR LIVES MATTER....STOP (expletive) KILLING US. STOP SHOOTING US....JUST (expletive) STOP."
-Kevin Hart

"There's a systemic problem. Until the problem is fixed, this is going to be an all-too-common sighting in this country"
-Aaron Rogers, Green Bay Packers
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"Wasn't resisting"...
 
I wonder if there is some psychological component to this that we don't understand. Let's assume we believed the following was true:

  • The police target people with my skin color
  • People with my skin color get killed indiscriminately by police
  • I see videos all the time of people with my skin color getting beaten and killed by police
  • People with my skin color get arrested for crimes they didn't commit
  • My grandparents told me stories of being beaten by the police
  • My parents fear the police
  • The police make me fear for my safety
  • The police make me fear for my life

This is a difficult exercise for me to do, because the police don't make me feel like any of these things.... But Lebron and many others are saying they are scared of the police, fear for their lives because of the police, etc.

If those things were true, would you run? Would you resist? Remember, you feel like if they get you, that they might beat you, they might kill you, or they might jail you for something you didn't do.

Is it the totally "white" response to be like, "why don't they just get on their knees, put their hands behind their head, and do everything they guy with the gun says"?

Let me be COMPLETELY clear.... I am not saying the police should make someone feel the way I listed, that I think they do, etc. It's purely hypothetical based on things we are all seeing and hearing through all this mess. People saying they literally fear the police. As in, scared for their life.

When you are in a "scared for your life" situation, you run. You fight. Etc.

Is that possible? We keep asking the same questions. HoopsAustin correctly stated it earlier.... "Why didn't he just do what the cop said?"... But is this why?
 
I appreciate the exercise you are trying to do bigabd.

But I just can't buy that people run from cops because they are fearful of their lives. It does not make logical sense. I'm scared of what the cop could do to me so I am going to run knowing that running will greatly increase my odds of the cop hurting me.

I think they run because they are scared of getting punishment. The vast majority of these cop killings come when a crime has already taken place. It escalates the situation and makes people not think properly. Nobody wants to get in trouble...especially when you have a rap sheet already and know you will get locked up
 
thebigabd said:
I wonder if there is some psychological component to this that we don't understand. Let's assume we believed the following was true:

  • The police target people with my skin color
  • People with my skin color get killed indiscriminately by police
  • I see videos all the time of people with my skin color getting beaten and killed by police
  • People with my skin color get arrested for crimes they didn't commit
  • My grandparents told me stories of being beaten by the police
  • My parents fear the police
  • The police make me fear for my safety
  • The police make me fear for my life

This is a difficult exercise for me to do, because the police don't make me feel like any of these things.... But Lebron and many others are saying they are scared of the police, fear for their lives because of the police, etc.

If those things were true, would you run? Would you resist? Remember, you feel like if they get you, that they might beat you, they might kill you, or they might jail you for something you didn't do.

Is it the totally "white" response to be like, "why don't they just get on their knees, put their hands behind their head, and do everything they guy with the gun says"?

Let me be COMPLETELY clear.... I am not saying the police should make someone feel the way I listed, that I think they do, etc. It's purely hypothetical based on things we are all seeing and hearing through all this mess. People saying they literally fear the police. As in, scared for their life.

When you are in a "scared for your life" situation, you run. You fight. Etc.

Is that possible? We keep asking the same questions. HoopsAustin correctly stated it earlier.... "Why didn't he just do what the cop said?"... But is this why?
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Regardless of skin color if you know you are innocent you say "I've done nothing wrong and I will completely comply with you for it's the best for the both of us," end of story. I suppose because of the ongoing situation there are those blacks who will, in turn, be more defiant and go against the grain. Not good. Then there are those who do not care about their life and will challenge cops at all costs. And then there are those who are suicidal, but they want to go out a martyr.
 
thebigabd said:
I wonder if there is some psychological component to this that we don't understand. Let's assume we believed the following was true:

  • The police target people with my skin color
  • People with my skin color get killed indiscriminately by police
  • I see videos all the time of people with my skin color getting beaten and killed by police
  • People with my skin color get arrested for crimes they didn't commit
  • My grandparents told me stories of being beaten by the police
  • My parents fear the police
  • The police make me fear for my safety
  • The police make me fear for my life

This is a difficult exercise for me to do, because the police don't make me feel like any of these things.... But Lebron and many others are saying they are scared of the police, fear for their lives because of the police, etc.

If those things were true, would you run? Would you resist? Remember, you feel like if they get you, that they might beat you, they might kill you, or they might jail you for something you didn't do.

Is it the totally "white" response to be like, "why don't they just get on their knees, put their hands behind their head, and do everything they guy with the gun says"?

Let me be COMPLETELY clear.... I am not saying the police should make someone feel the way I listed, that I think they do, etc. It's purely hypothetical based on things we are all seeing and hearing through all this mess. People saying they literally fear the police. As in, scared for their life.

When you are in a "scared for your life" situation, you run. You fight. Etc.

Is that possible? We keep asking the same questions. HoopsAustin correctly stated it earlier.... "Why didn't he just do what the cop said?"... But is this why?
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If i were scared in that scenario i would do everything in my power to avoid interactions with them and if i did have interactions i would never move an inch..

i dont understand the resisting except maybe they see george floyds family recieve 15 million on gofundme and it can help your fam.. or they dont give a crap about authority
 
Ok, I took all your responses and did some research.

This was written by Mike Muse, which seems to back up what I was alluding to earlier.

Resisting is desperation. We know that this is a false arrest, that we are not guilty — but we also know that the moment we are placed in a squad car, we begin a slow, grinding procession through a system that rarely delivers the justice it purports to. Plea deals we shouldn’t have to take, the only means of avoiding the harsher penalty that comes of maintaining our innocence. A tangled web of district attorneys and judges elected to protect us but instead acting in league with private prisons.

Resisting is negotiation. We don’t want our mothers to be disappointed in us; we don’t want our employers to discover this unfounded predicament; we don’t want our children to be ashamed of us; worst of all, we know we don’t have the money to make bail or hire an effective attorney. If we can just make them see we weren’t doing anything, we can clear this all up.

Resisting is reflex. We know it deeply, because we know the stories of those who came before us: adrenaline threat supersedes rational thinking. Our strength is our only protection from a world of endless fear. We resist physically not because we want to, but because there is no other way to communicate when the people arresting us are deaf to our words.

The inhumane choice of pleading guilty to a five-year sentence despite knowing our innocence, just to avoid a potential 25-year sentence that we don’t have the economic means to fight. This is why we resist.

If we do not, if negotiations fail, our entry is through the jail doors, captive until trial unless we make bail — a system that, according to a study conducted by the ACLU and Color of Change, is manipulated by a $2 billion bail bond industry. A bail as low as $500 can be unaffordable for many Americans. In fact, 40% of Americans say they could not afford an unexpected $400 expense.

And once inside, other demons descend. In a 1986 study by the National Center on Institutions and Alternatives, approximately half of suicides inside the carceral system happen within the first 24 hours. Especially after a false arrest, isolation, terror, and helplessness all compound the risk.

This story of Kalief Browder is by now well known, but it bears repeating. In 2010, the 16-year-old entered Rikers Island after a false arrest — and despite never having been convicted, he stayed there three years, two of them in solitary confinement. While inside, he attempted suicide at least five times; even after his release in 2013, he continued to be plagued by psychological problems, ultimately taking his own life in 2015. This is why we resist.

White defendants charged with felonies are less likely than Black defendants to be convicted of a felony. Similarly, cases involving White defendants charged with misdemeanors are 75% more likely to end in no conviction, or a conviction for a crime that carries no jail time, than a Black defendant accused of the same crime. This is why we resist.

You don’t have to know the data to understand the injustice of the criminal justice system. You don’t have to be familiar with the research to understand that in the eyes of law enforcement, being Black carries an undue burden of guilt. You don’t have to know the economic data that keeps the criminal justice system running. All you have to do is be Black in America. Systemic racism and police brutality are a rite of passage that no culture should have to experience. And if you are not Black? Perhaps now you have a better understanding of what we’re facing.

https://level.medium.com/why-black-people-resist-arrest-c43d99e0f961
 
thebigabd said:
Ok, I took all your responses and did some research.

This was written by Mike Muse, which seems to back up what I was alluding to earlier.

Resisting is desperation. We know that this is a false arrest, that we are not guilty —
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I stopped reading right there.

Which of these cases that have ended up in the news were interactions that were about to result in a false arrest? Damn near none of them that I can remember.

Not Michael Brown. Not the guy in NYC that got choked. Not George Floyd. Not the guy in Wisconsin.

So where are all these cases of black men getting hauled away under charges that are completely fictitious? Sorry, but that isn't happening on any grand scale, and it can happen to any race.
 
thebigabd said:
Ok, I took all your responses and did some research.

This was written by Mike Muse, which seems to back up what I was alluding to earlier.

Resisting is desperation. We know that this is a false arrest, that we are not guilty — but we also know that the moment we are placed in a squad car, we begin a slow, grinding procession through a system that rarely delivers the justice it purports to. Plea deals we shouldn’t have to take, the only means of avoiding the harsher penalty that comes of maintaining our innocence. A tangled web of district attorneys and judges elected to protect us but instead acting in league with private prisons.

Resisting is negotiation. We don’t want our mothers to be disappointed in us; we don’t want our employers to discover this unfounded predicament; we don’t want our children to be ashamed of us; worst of all, we know we don’t have the money to make bail or hire an effective attorney. If we can just make them see we weren’t doing anything, we can clear this all up.

Resisting is reflex. We know it deeply, because we know the stories of those who came before us: adrenaline threat supersedes rational thinking. Our strength is our only protection from a world of endless fear. We resist physically not because we want to, but because there is no other way to communicate when the people arresting us are deaf to our words.

The inhumane choice of pleading guilty to a five-year sentence despite knowing our innocence, just to avoid a potential 25-year sentence that we don’t have the economic means to fight. This is why we resist.

If we do not, if negotiations fail, our entry is through the jail doors, captive until trial unless we make bail — a system that, according to a study conducted by the ACLU and Color of Change, is manipulated by a $2 billion bail bond industry. A bail as low as $500 can be unaffordable for many Americans. In fact, 40% of Americans say they could not afford an unexpected $400 expense.

And once inside, other demons descend. In a 1986 study by the National Center on Institutions and Alternatives, approximately half of suicides inside the carceral system happen within the first 24 hours. Especially after a false arrest, isolation, terror, and helplessness all compound the risk.

This story of Kalief Browder is by now well known, but it bears repeating. In 2010, the 16-year-old entered Rikers Island after a false arrest — and despite never having been convicted, he stayed there three years, two of them in solitary confinement. While inside, he attempted suicide at least five times; even after his release in 2013, he continued to be plagued by psychological problems, ultimately taking his own life in 2015. This is why we resist.

White defendants charged with felonies are less likely than Black defendants to be convicted of a felony. Similarly, cases involving White defendants charged with misdemeanors are 75% more likely to end in no conviction, or a conviction for a crime that carries no jail time, than a Black defendant accused of the same crime. This is why we resist.

You don’t have to know the data to understand the injustice of the criminal justice system. You don’t have to be familiar with the research to understand that in the eyes of law enforcement, being Black carries an undue burden of guilt. You don’t have to know the economic data that keeps the criminal justice system running. All you have to do is be Black in America. Systemic racism and police brutality are a rite of passage that no culture should have to experience. And if you are not Black? Perhaps now you have a better understanding of what we’re facing.

https://level.medium.com/why-black-people-resist-arrest-c43d99e0f961
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I’m out at resisting is negotiation.
Resisting is idiotic
 
WTSooner said:
I stopped reading right there.

Which of these cases that have ended up in the news were interactions that were about to result in a false arrest? Damn near none of them that I can remember.

Not Michael Brown. Not the guy in NYC that got choked. Not George Floyd. Not the guy in Wisconsin.

So where are all these cases of black men getting hauled away under charges that are completely fictitious? Sorry, but that isn't happening on any grand scale, and it can happen to any race.
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Ok, but the guy in NY that was getting choked was selling loose cigarettes. George Floyd had a fake $20 bill. The guy in Wisconsin didn't even commit a crime, from what I read.

I would suggest continuing to read. It makes sense. The basic gist is getting arrested is a life changing event, even if you are innocent. If you are poor, you likely can't afford bail and can't get out of jail. You likely lose your job. You are separated from your kids and family... You won't be able to get a job going forward... You may have to accept a plea deal because you are scared of being found guilty, which is a huge risk... Prison itself is dangerous... Etc.

And, for some stats on that... There are half a million men in jail right now who have not been convicted of a crime because they can't afford bail. People that are technically/legally innocent, are in jail as we speak. Millions of human beings have sat in jail cells because they can't afford bail.

There are two countries on this planet that have such a bail system.

The United States of America.
The Phillipines.

That is it. Profit bail is ILLEGAL the world over. Yet, it's an accepted part of our criminal justice system, and it has locked up millions of people who haven't been convicted of a crime. It has left millions of people in cages and chains waiting for a court date.
 
thebigabd said:
Ok, but the guy in NY that was getting choked was selling loose cigarettes. George Floyd had a fake $20 bill. The guy in Wisconsin didn't even commit a crime, from what I read.
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GF was resisting arrest. The guy in wisconsin was ignoring police orders. both crimes.

I would suggest continuing to read. It makes sense. The basic gist is getting arrested is a life changing event, even if you are innocent.
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You know what else is life changing? Getting shot and dying.

The vast majority of these national cases wouldn't happen if a crime wasn't taking place.
 
Ok, well, that doesn't leave much option does it.

If there is no psychological reason for resisting... If it's not rooted in generations of fear, racism, etc... If it's not a form of protest, etc... That leaves us with the solution you guys have.

They are idiots. That seems to be the only other explanation being offered.
 
No it doesn't leave much room for anything else.

Where is the rest of the video? Why was it edited to only show the shooting?
 
thebigabd said:
Ok, but the guy in NY that was getting choked was selling loose cigarettes. George Floyd had a fake $20 bill. The guy in Wisconsin didn't even commit a crime, from what I read.

I would suggest continuing to read. It makes sense. The basic gist is getting arrested is a life changing event, even if you are innocent. If you are poor, you likely can't afford bail and can't get out of jail. You likely lose your job. You are separated from your kids and family... You won't be able to get a job going forward... You may have to accept a plea deal because you are scared of being found guilty, which is a huge risk... Prison itself is dangerous... Etc.

And, for some stats on that... There are half a million men in jail right now who have not been convicted of a crime because they can't afford bail. People that are technically/legally innocent, are in jail as we speak. Millions of human beings have sat in jail cells because they can't afford bail.

There are two countries on this planet that have such a bail system.

The United States of America.
The Phillipines.

That is it. Profit bail is ILLEGAL the world over. Yet, it's an accepted part of our criminal justice system, and it has locked up millions of people who haven't been convicted of a crime. It has left millions of people in cages and chains waiting for a court date.
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So we've gone from they committed no crime.. to well, they were small crimes.. (ignoring that resisting arrest is in itself a crime...) (typical red herring - talk about the seemingly innocent or petty crime, prior to the resisting which can be a FELONY)
 
So the 3 guys that got murdered being discussed:
1) selling loose cigarettes
2) suspicion of fake $20 bill (i think it was real)
3) nothing
 
thebigabd said:
Ok, well, that doesn't leave much option does it.

If there is no psychological reason for resisting... If it's not rooted in generations of fear, racism, etc... If it's not a form of protest, etc... That leaves us with the solution you guys have.

They are idiots. That seems to be the only other explanation being offered.
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well.. sometimes the obvious answer is the obvious answer.

Even if there is some grand psychological scheme, so what? Cops have programs trying to endear the police to the black communities and such. Do you have a suggestion to alleviate your alleged psychological scheme, forwarded by a music executive..?

I think its pretty simple and not needing a deep analysis.. criminals commit crimes, criminals dont want to be caught for crimes, criminals that resist often pose threats to cops, sometimes criminals die as a result.. fix the problems at home is the best solution i can come up with:

1. Dont have children prior to hs graduation/out of wedlock
2. Get a job for a while/go to college or trade school - then get a job for a while
3. Make children with a good partner or even dont have kiddos
4. Raise the kiddos right

Youll be exponentially less likely to be poor. Less likely to be poor, less likely to have issues with drugs or live in rough communities.

To some degree, my fellow Americans opposite of the aisle from me have to agree that there is personal responsibility in this equation, right?

The cases like breona taylor are despicable and should be condemned. I hate no knock warrants
 
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