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He said he would shut it down if the scientists recommended it. Which are the people we should’ve been taking the cue from in the first place.

I goes deeper than scientists, or even physican-scientists. For one, there's no general consensus. More importantly, most have absolutely no background in things such as the economy. It's a complex issue, and has to be a discussion involving experts in multiple fields -- and of course, the American people. I don't believe Trump was abusing his power in pushing to reopen the economy while ignoring some of Fauci's opinions. On the other hand, Fauci and others were qualified to say that the plaquenil trial was weak and injecting bleech into your veings was idiotic.
 
I goes deeper than scientists, or even physican-scientists. For one, there's no general consensus. More importantly, most have absolutely no background in things such as the economy. It's a complex issue, and has to be a discussion involving experts in multiple fields -- and of course, the American people. I don't believe Trump was abusing his power in pushing to reopen the economy while ignoring some of Fauci's opinions. On the other hand, Fauci and others were qualified to say that the plaquenil trial was weak and injecting bleech into your veings was idiotic.

Yep I said there needs to be a round table discussion & layout all the information & opinions. Then make an educated decision off that and be united throughout, nothing close to that happened.
 
Holy crap, another brutal police shooting in Wisconsin last night. The man was not armed (that we know of), had his children in the car, and the police grab him by the back of his shirt and shoot him 7 times in the back at point blank range as he is getting in the car.

Riots ensued in Wisconsin last night.

Video:

https://youtu.be/J-PK8t8vtSM?t=26
 
Holy crap, another brutal police shooting in Wisconsin last night. The man was not armed (that we know of), had his children in the car, and the police grab him by the back of his shirt and shoot him 7 times in the back at point blank range as he is getting in the car.

Riots ensued in Wisconsin last night.

Video:

https://youtu.be/J-PK8t8vtSM?t=26

What kind of f'ing clown, when the police have a gun pointed at you and I assume they are asking you to comply, goes to his vehicle, opens the door, and reaches down? Seeing that, I'm not surprised they shot at all.

I'm not saying that scenario couldn't have played out differently and been handled better perhaps, but my God, the one thing you do NOT do in that situation is reach like that. Period. Regardless of color.
 
Holy crap, another brutal police shooting in Wisconsin last night. The man was not armed (that we know of), had his children in the car, and the police grab him by the back of his shirt and shoot him 7 times in the back at point blank range as he is getting in the car.

Riots ensued in Wisconsin last night.

Video:

https://youtu.be/J-PK8t8vtSM?t=26

brutal video man.

I reserve making a judgement one way or the other. If there is one thing that honest people can learn from this year, it is to stop making emotional opinions and decisions. Let all the info come out before protesting.

I mean people still want the cops that killed breanna taylor in jail using wrong facts.
 
What kind of f'ing clown, when the police have a gun pointed at you and I assume they are asking you to comply, goes to his vehicle, opens the door, and reaches down? Seeing that, I'm not surprised they shot at all.

I'm not saying that scenario couldn't have played out differently and been handled better perhaps, but my God, the one thing you do NOT do in that situation is reach like that. Period. Regardless of color.

When Broken Arrow police pointed their guns at me and my friends (we were 13 years old and just walking around the neighborhood past curfew), I got on the ground pretty quick. I did initially run from them, but once they had guns out we all got on the ground pretty quick. And we were all middle class white kids.

As for this video..... man, you just can't kill someone like that. I tend to agree with what Bounce just said, lets see all the information, but they had so many options there. Tackle him, shock him, shoot him in the leg, etc. There were 3 children in that car too.

The video LOOKS bad for the police, that is for sure. 7 shots at point blank range in the back when it did not look like their lives were in danger. With 3 kids in the car, and an entire neighborhood of people screaming at them to not kill this guy.
 
When Broken Arrow police pointed their guns at me and my friends (we were 13 years old and just walking around the neighborhood past curfew), I got on the ground pretty quick. I did initially run from them, but once they had guns out we all got on the ground pretty quick. And we were all middle class white kids.

As for this video..... man, you just can't kill someone like that. I tend to agree with what Bounce just said, lets see all the information, but they had so many options there. Tackle him, shock him, shoot him in the leg, etc. There were 3 children in that car too.

The video LOOKS bad for the police, that is for sure. 7 shots at point blank range in the back when it did not look like their lives were in danger. With 3 kids in the car, and an entire neighborhood of people screaming at them to not kill this guy.

I think they have a case for shooting him once he gets the car door open and reaches, BUT, I agree with you. Never should have gotten that far. They had plenty of opportunities to do the things you stated first. They never should have let him get to the car and get the door open. The kids being there doesn't change much for me. It's sad for the kids, BUT that doesn't change the situation and whether it's a good or bad shoot.

This is one of those cases where based on police policy, I don't see how you convict him based on what we know today. I couldn't tell if he was giving commands to stop, but I assume he was. If not, that could change things. Or factors unknown to us at this time could. But damn, to walk away from police that have their guns drawn and to reach into a car like that? smh

I'm a white dude with absolutely zero criminal background and only a handful of minor speeding tickets. That said, when I get pulled over, my windows go down (all of them) and my hands stay visible. If I'm asked for insurance or my DL and I have to reach, I let them know. That should be the norm. Those things are to keep both the officer and myself safe.
 
.....when it did not look like their lives were in danger.

I don't agree with that part though. The officer can't wait until the gun is pointed at him before he shoots. That reach, my first thought was he's going for a gun. Can't do that under any circumstances. That is why it's critical that people obey police commands. I'm not going to ask the police to wait until the potential gun is in their face before reacting. Too late at that point. Again, that is why listening to police commands is important. That reach damn sure looked like he was going for a gun, even though there likely wasn't one there, I get that. Police don't know that. They are telling a guy to stop, and he reaches like that. I'm shooting too.
 
just too many unknowns. I have my suspicions but i'd love to see more video and audio and the body cams.
 
When Broken Arrow police pointed their guns at me and my friends (we were 13 years old and just walking around the neighborhood past curfew), I got on the ground pretty quick. I did initially run from them, but once they had guns out we all got on the ground pretty quick. And we were all middle class white kids.

As for this video..... man, you just can't kill someone like that. I tend to agree with what Bounce just said, lets see all the information, but they had so many options there. Tackle him, shock him, shoot him in the leg, etc. There were 3 children in that car too.

The video LOOKS bad for the police, that is for sure. 7 shots at point blank range in the back when it did not look like their lives were in danger. With 3 kids in the car, and an entire neighborhood of people screaming at them to not kill this guy.

there should be no charges on this one. Hope the dude lives.

Tasers are unreliable (see video below) and cops are gonna start getting scared to take over a situation to even prevent escalation for fear of being branded as "racists". They should have tased him freakin 5x (im betting they did deploy tasers) and the dude should have simply complied. There needs to be a new and more effective taser that better immobilizes people

Wish all people just gave the police respect and followed their orders (even if unjust/wrong).. every shooting by cops could be avoided.

https://youtu.be/_BZkxLQ6zlk
 
there should be no charges on this one. Hope the dude lives.

Tasers are unreliable (see video below) and cops are gonna start getting scared to take over a situation to even prevent escalation for fear of being branded as "racists". They should have tased him freakin 5x (im betting they did deploy tasers) and the dude should have simply complied. There needs to be a new and more effective taser that better immobilizes people

Wish all people just gave the police respect and followed their orders (even if unjust/wrong).. every shooting by cops could be avoided.

https://youtu.be/_BZkxLQ6zlk


Much like going through security at an airport and claiming you have a bomb. If you do not have a bomb and you do not want to be hassled by security then don't proclaim you have a bomb and things then proceed in a more mannerly way. Sure seems like most negative things incurred by individuals could clearly be avoided.
 
Much like going through security at an airport and claiming you have a bomb. If you do not have a bomb and you do not want to be hassled by security then don't proclaim you have a bomb and things then proceed in a more mannerly way. Sure seems like most negative things incurred by individuals could clearly be avoided.

Did he say he had a gun?
 
there should be no charges on this one. Hope the dude lives.

Tasers are unreliable (see video below) and cops are gonna start getting scared to take over a situation to even prevent escalation for fear of being branded as "racists". They should have tased him freakin 5x (im betting they did deploy tasers) and the dude should have simply complied. There needs to be a new and more effective taser that better immobilizes people

Wish all people just gave the police respect and followed their orders (even if unjust/wrong).. every shooting by cops could be avoided.

https://youtu.be/_BZkxLQ6zlk

Just so I can better see this from your side.... could you tell me why no charges should be filed? Was 7 shots in the back at point blank range their only option, as you see it?

They said his condition is stable. Man that seems hard to believe.

News reporting he was not armed as well.
 
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Just so I can better see this from your side.... could you tell me why no charges should be filed? Was 7 shots in the back at point blank range their only option, as you see it?

They said his condition is stable. Man that seems hard to believe.

News reporting he was not armed as well.

Pretty open and shut imo. (From what ive seen in just the small video snippet which i anticipate being enough evidence on its own to justify my opinion here. .) A person is being ordered to stop, ignores everything, is tased i think, enters into a car... i am pretty sure that will be enough to justify an officer to be in fear of his life that there may be a gun in the car or even that the car could be used as a weapon..

(Also ive read he had an outstanding warrant, but that should be irrelevant for the officer's mindet unless he in fact KNEW of the warrant and was trying to effect an arrest due to the same). But still imo, the cop doesnt even need to have knowledge of the same at all, a cop can wrongfully even ask a person to not get into a car and if the person ignores the same, as here, will likely be found to have a justified shooting..

Now that breonna taylor shooting that was bull****, no knock warrants MUST be outlawed. Maybe you could sway me on like a terrorism basis for a no knock warrant, but i think those are outrageous.. i hope the taylors get justice and some $$ (like that even matters tho, when you lose a family member in that BS way..)

Whether arned or not, can often be completely irrelevant. Obviously from the shooting cops perspective its always better to have recovered a gun.. but a cop can in some instances fear for their life (and be factually wrong - i thought he had a gun) and the shooting be justified.

Shooting in the back isnt a big factor in this case i dont think. The question will be if its reasonable for that shooting cop to fear for his life when the guy entered into his car.

It was big imo in the walter scott case tho that he was shot in the back. Think that result was correct and different from this case. 20 years in that one
 
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