Denny Announces Moser Staying

WTSooner said:
I think people need to get over the under-resourced thing.

OU football isn't poor, but we aren't top 4-5 in spending. Yet, we all expect them to be competing for SEC titles and Playoff births.

OU baseball, I saw a stat that we were towards the bottom on the SEC in terms of operating expenses (not sure exactly what all that entails). But Skip has a very good squad, is putting players in the Majors, and a few seasons ago had us in the NC series.

I can't imagine that OU women's hoops is better resourced than the men. Yet, they have a squad to be proud of.

Gymastics. I'd bet they don't spend as much as at least a few other SEC teams. Yet, they have won SEC and National Championships.

OU isn't the richest school in the SEC. We may not be top 5. We aren't going to outspend folks. Our other sports are able to put "acceptable" teams on the field/court/etc without having to outspend and out-resource everybody. Maybe, just maybe, the right coach could win the current resources. That clearly is not true of Moser, but that doesn't mean it's not true of anybody.
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When Alabama and Tennessee can field teams in both sports that consistently win. When Florida has championships in both sports. That just sounds like rationalizing why we suck and will always suck. In Alabamas case they are the goat of the last two decades in football and still have a top 10 hoops program. If Oklahoma is truly the poorest state in the south then sure. Maybe so. I suppose thats on Stitt and Oklahomans for not having a better economy so competition doesn’t lap us constantly in funding. Still doesn’t explain why Alabama can do it just fine.
 
Hecubus said:
When Alabama and Tennessee can field teams in both sports that consistently win. When Florida has championships in both sports. That just sounds like rationalizing why we suck and will always suck. In Alabamas case they are the goat of the last two decades in football and still have a top 10 hoops program. If Oklahoma is truly the poorest state in the south then sure. Maybe so. I suppose thats on Stitt and Oklahomans for not having a better economy so competition doesn’t lap us constantly in funding. Still doesn’t explain why Alabama can do it just fine.
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I agree with this: if Alabama can be great in both sports, so can we.

From what I've read online, Bama's NIL isn't great. Better than ours, but probably SEC average. They also struggle to fill their arena when they're not good. What they do have is a great coach. Nate Oats won't be at Bama forever.
 
Hecubus said:
When Alabama and Tennessee can field teams in both sports that consistently win. When Florida has championships in both sports. That just sounds like rationalizing why we suck and will always suck. In Alabamas case they are the goat of the last two decades in football and still have a top 10 hoops program. If Oklahoma is truly the poorest state in the south then sure. Maybe so. I suppose thats on Stitt and Oklahomans for not having a better economy so competition doesn’t lap us constantly in funding. Still doesn’t explain why Alabama can do it just fine.
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We're about to pass Alabama in football.

In basketball, they have a MUCH better coach.

There aren't many schools doing what Bama and Florida have done. But Florida hasn't really done it in football consistently. Right?
 
AnotherSoonerInTX said:


It's the Captain, so salt to taste. He has a mixed reputation among OU fans. I don't subscribe and he keeps a lot of things behind the paywall.

Perhaps Roger has something working. We don't know.
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Denny has IDEAS. Maybe they pan out, maybe they don't. He said as much in his message. Pleading for fans and donors and the community and vendors/advertisers.

That's called casting a wide net.
 
WTSooner said:
We're about to pass Alabama in football.

In basketball, they have a MUCH better coach.

There aren't many schools doing what Bama and Florida have done. But Florida hasn't really done it in football consistently. Right?
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True. however Florida has spent a huge amount trying to win, so while their football team is a perennial disappointment the past decade .. they do spend huge amounts of money trying out new coaches.
 
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I oppose putting money in basketball until the admin thinks we are good there. Then, put all the resources we can afford into it. Just guessing we are likely going to wait until the new gym to be able to raise the money necessary to really make a difference
 
Hecubus said:
True. however Florida has spent a huge amount trying to win, so while their football team is a perennial disappointment the past decade .. they do spend huge amounts of money trying out new coaches.
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Florida is not as rich as Texas, but they have plenty of money to do whatever they want.
 
WTSooner said:
I think people need to get over the under-resourced thing.

OU football isn't poor, but we aren't top 4-5 in spending. Yet, we all expect them to be competing for SEC titles and Playoff births.

OU baseball, I saw a stat that we were towards the bottom on the SEC in terms of operating expenses (not sure exactly what all that entails). But Skip has a very good squad, is putting players in the Majors, and a few seasons ago had us in the NC series.

I can't imagine that OU women's hoops is better resourced than the men. Yet, they have a squad to be proud of.

Gymastics. I'd bet they don't spend as much as at least a few other SEC teams. Yet, they have won SEC and National Championships.

OU isn't the richest school in the SEC. We may not be top 5. We aren't going to outspend folks. Our other sports are able to put "acceptable" teams on the field/court/etc without having to outspend and out-resource everybody. Maybe, just maybe, the right coach could win the current resources. That clearly is not true of Moser, but that doesn't mean it's not true of anybody.
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At the end of the day, I think OU will always be under-resourced compared to rivals, especially in the SEC but I think you & other posters are underestimating the gap re basketball and most importantly how greater resources would create an environment where a desirable coach would want to stay at OU for the long-term.

In football (the only true comparison to MBB because of the rev sport status IMO), OU is still allegedly a top 15-20 NIL location on the low end. It’s not A&M or UT or Ohio State but it’s competitive to the rest of the SEC and definitely nationally versus the BIG/Big 12/ACC.

I’ve not read as much about baseball NIL and would concede that OU is still under-resoruced (especially relative to the rest of the SEC) but from my basic understanding it sounds like the level of total NIL deployment is much more consistent outside of a few heavy spenders like A&M, UT, LSU, Tenn etc and contracts for elite guys are less overall (the roster is bigger in baseball no doubt, which definitely impacts). Would be interested to read/learn more if others have resources.

Johnson and Venables are also ultimately better coaches than Moser.

Re gymnastics & softball, I don’t think true non revenue sports are a legitimate comparison just given the overall level of NIL deployed to those type of sports by boosters tied to the school. Coaching matters so much more and fortunately OU has that with Gasso and Kindler.

I know posters don’t believe the rumors about NIL spending but if OU is consistently shown to be bottom 25% in the league and running at 50-75% of mid-tier SEC teams, but I think there is probably a grain of truth to that generalization (not to mention Denny coming out and implicitly saying that on Saturday). That type of gap is way different than what football is facing.

Can an elite coach overcome it on a one-off basis? Of course, but why stick at OU long-term when 14 other SEC programs (not to mention the rest of the P5) are as good/better resourced. To be clear, I am saying the expectations (anything higher than a bubble team) for OU shouldn't change until they're mid-tier in terms of NIL spending, not top 5. But OU is likely 13-16 in the SEC right now. IMO Moser isn’t likely to use the NIL resources significantly better (this year has proved that), but that’s the fundamental problem that OU has to work through if it’s going to get back to early 2000s consistent success IMO.
 
WTSooner said:
Denny has IDEAS. Maybe they pan out, maybe they don't. He said as much in his message. Pleading for fans and donors and the community and vendors/advertisers.

That's called casting a wide net.
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what's it called if denny convinces donors to up nil donations to $10mil and moser misses the tourney again next year?
 
SoonerDutch said:
Johnson and Venables are also ultimately better coaches than Moser.
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That's really all that matters to me right now.

I always go back to this question.....is Moser getting the most out of his rosters? Is he maximizing his talent? If the answer is no, then I really don't care about the other stuff. Find a coach that can maximize this amount of talent, maybe even a coach that is more well liked by the donors, and let's start there. If we still can't win at a level that is acceptable, then we can go fishing for other fixes.

I'm not implying we shouldn't be looking for more NIL and upgrading resources when/if we can. Just that getting a coach in place that can maximize talent is the more pressing issue.
 
it'll be a bad look for denny. who's going to pick up the phone when he calls if he screws this one up.
 
WTSooner said:
That's really all that matters to me right now.

I always go back to this question.....is Moser getting the most out of his rosters? Is he maximizing his talent? If the answer is no, then I really don't care about the other stuff. Find a coach that can maximize this amount of talent, maybe even a coach that is more well liked by the donors, and let's start there. If we still can't win at a level that is acceptable, then we can go fishing for other fixes.

I'm not implying we shouldn't be looking for more NIL and upgrading resources when/if we can. Just that getting a coach in place that can maximize talent is the more pressing issue.
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I don’t disagree about Moser but I think it’s more complicated than just firing and hiring a new guy. I’m not going to beat this to death because people clearly disagree on what’s most important so will just outline the below.

I think we can all agree that OU is never going to be Kentucky resource wise, but OU has demonstrated a more than solid ceiling in the past 40-years when it had circumstances where a coach was committed for 5+ years (local guy like Tubbs, a young Sampson, last stop for Kruger).

Getting and keeping an up & coming guy seems like the best option and to maximize that potential, believe infrastructure has to be in place where OU is at least middle of the pack. New stadium helps but middle-tier NIL support, even for a guy like Moser, would go a longer way to achieving that likelihood IMO. A bit of chicken and the egg, but would hate for Denny to deliver on finding the right guy only to lose him during another cycle in a couple of years.

But yes, do I wish he made the move now on Moser? Most certainly.
 
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