Does the Big 12 keep the tourney in Kansas City next year?

zup78 said:
KCRuf - Well, thanks for calling me a Moron or worse - so much for the rules on this board about NOT attacking posters. This board is usually fairly intelligent and civil - your post was NOT.
So what part of my post is moronic by the way - what part of what I said is UNTRUE? Most of the tax dollars DO go to the state of Missouri don't they? MORON? I have been to KC many times and most of the people stay AND eat and are intertained IN MISSOURI - MORON??? Aren't they, HUH???? MORON???? VERY LITTLE IS "PUMPED" INTO KANSAS hotrod. Obviously you live in KC and are a HOMER for the tourney being there. But you will soon find yourself on the outside looking in on this subject as all the other MORONS that will decide this happen to feel the same way. OU/OSU/Texas/BAYlor/Tech or 5 out of 8 have NO DESIRE to travel to KU/KSU hometown AND put 60 million into an economy that said a big NO to the Big-12 (didn't they hotrod? - MU and the state of Missery has been trying to punt the Bid-12 for 3 years). So again, tell me, other than your homer heartfelt opinion, what part of my post is not true and is Moronic. Hmmmm. OKC has as good or better site to host with Bricktown and entertainment and hotels all in SHORT walking distance. And it is much more centrally located for all the schools.
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I think this is the best post I've ever read on here.

I obviously don't care where the tournament is held in the future, but if I'm ISU, I'd be a bit upset if the tournament is never closer than a 9 hour drive. KC works well for kansas, ksu, ISU, OU and OSU (and is as good as WVU can ever reasonably hope for).

Looking at it as a benefit for Missouri is the wrong way to go about it. The Big 12 should only focus on what is best for its schools, and KC is really the only good option for ISU. I think it would be the right decision to keep KC in the rotation (something like two years in Dallas, two in OKC, one in KC).

You really aren't hurting MU by keeping the tournament out of this state.
 
zup78 said:
KCRuf - Well, thanks for calling me a Moron or worse - so much for the rules on this board about NOT attacking posters. This board is usually fairly intelligent and civil - your post was NOT.
So what part of my post is moronic by the way - what part of what I said is UNTRUE? Most of the tax dollars DO go to the state of Missouri don't they? MORON? I have been to KC many times and most of the people stay AND eat and are intertained IN MISSOURI - MORON??? Aren't they, HUH???? MORON???? VERY LITTLE IS "PUMPED" INTO KANSAS hotrod. Obviously you live in KC and are a HOMER for the tourney being there. But you will soon find yourself on the outside looking in on this subject as all the other MORONS that will decide this happen to feel the same way. OU/OSU/Texas/BAYlor/Tech or 5 out of 8 have NO DESIRE to travel to KU/KSU hometown AND put 60 million into an economy that said a big NO to the Big-12 (didn't they hotrod? - MU and the state of Missery has been trying to punt the Bid-12 for 3 years). So again, tell me, other than your homer heartfelt opinion, what part of my post is not true and is Moronic. Hmmmm. OKC has as good or better site to host with Bricktown and entertainment and hotels all in SHORT walking distance. And it is much more centrally located for all the schools.
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Sawyer said:
I think this is the best post I've ever read on here.

I obviously don't care where the tournament is held in the future, but if I'm ISU, I'd be a bit upset if the tournament is never closer than a 9 hour drive. KC works well for kansas, ksu, ISU, OU and OSU (and is as good as WVU can ever reasonably hope for).

Looking at it as a benefit for Missouri is the wrong way to go about it. The Big 12 should only focus on what is best for its schools, and KC is really the only good option for ISU. I think it would be the right decision to keep KC in the rotation (something like two years in Dallas, two in OKC, one in KC).

You really aren't hurting MU by keeping the tournament out of this state.
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It is not about hurting MU it is about not benefiting the economy of Kansas City. Hosting that tournament is a benefit to the local economy and it should go to a city in a state with a team in the conference. If KU wants the tournament in KC, then the good people living in the Kansas part of KC should build a venue. Until that happens, the tournament should not be held in KC once the contracts are performed.
 
I have a feeling we may not see it back in Kansas City anytime soon, right or wrong. There's definitely some hard feelings between Missouri and the Big 12 schools they are leaving, so there is definitely going to be some blowback when it comes to holding the tournament in a state that no longer has a Big 12 institution. I can see there being an OKC/Dallas rotation for awhile. Maybe Tulsa could get in the mix? Somebody mentioned Wichita, is that even a possibility? I must admit I am ignorant when it comes to what Wichita does/doesn't have to offer.

Honestly I think they could just park it in OKC and it would do fantastic there.
 
Why would a state name their 2nd biggest city after a different state, especially one they tried/or would try to burn down?

maybe tulsa could get in the mix?
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Aren't they busy preparing for a future Olympic bid?
 
spot on, WT. And Tulsa is/will be bidding to get in the mix but will be tough to get it.. but is doable.
 
Big Old Booger said:
KU fans will travel so placing the tourney in Dallas or OKC will not result in fewer KU fans. In fact, I flew from KC to Houstonthis past week and changed planes in OKC. The old big 12 store is now an ea sports store with OU, OSU, and Thunder apparel. I spoke with the manager and she said the hottest selling memorabilia when it was the big 12 store was the KU stuff. They also have a huge alumni base in DFW as well as in Oklahoma.

The fans that attend when it's in KC who won't travel (to OKC or DFW) as well are the ISU fans and of course MU. If KSU is good, their fans travel in droves. Hopefully, the 2 Oklahoma schools will improve enough to buy those seats when it's in OKC.
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This.
 
BoulderSooner said:
tulsa has little to no shot
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Agreed, I live in the Tulsa area and the NCAA's were not even full. Not enough interest in Tulsa - don't know if we will ever get a NCAA event again. Also, where they put the arena SUCKS!!! Off by itself - not near enough hotels downtown or anywhere at all to eat in walking distance. Tulsa screwed up when they didn't do like Oklahoma City and put all their eggs in one area to be developed. Why Tulsa didn't put it by the river I have no idea. OKC has totally kicked Tulsa's butt - I have the whole state in my business and am in OKC every week and it is AMAZING what has been done there. They have put about 2 billion worth of public money into the downtown/bricktown area and about 5 billion in private money has followed.

When you have a tourney in OKC, every person that attends can drive or fly in; get to their hotel and NEVER get in a car while they are there. They can walk to about 50 restaurants and bars / go watch a movie on a 20 screen theatre / ride the boat / go to the huge park with the botanical gardens (the park is going to have about 200 acres added to it now that I-40 is being torn down to make room to connect the park to the river front) / walk to the bombing memorial and museum / and on and on. They never have to leave the area.

Again, I live in Tulsa (grew up in OKC) and have been here for 20+ years but we SUCK at our leadership and getting everything going in one direction. OKC has passed Tulsa and can't even see it in the rearview mirrors.
 
It's mainly because Tulsa has way too many selfish old people that are of a particular political persuasion.
 
zup78 said:
Agreed, I live in the Tulsa area and the NCAA's were not even full. Not enough interest in Tulsa - don't know if we will ever get a NCAA event again. Also, where they put the arena SUCKS!!! Off by itself - not near enough hotels downtown or anywhere at all to eat in walking distance. Tulsa screwed up when they didn't do like Oklahoma City and put all their eggs in one area to be developed. Why Tulsa didn't put it by the river I have no idea. OKC has totally kicked Tulsa's butt - I have the whole state in my business and am in OKC every week and it is AMAZING what has been done there. They have put about 2 billion worth of public money into the downtown/bricktown area and about 5 billion in private money has followed.

When you have a tourney in OKC, every person that attends can drive or fly in; get to their hotel and NEVER get in a car while they are there. They can walk to about 50 restaurants and bars / go watch a movie on a 20 screen theatre / ride the boat / go to the huge park with the botanical gardens (the park is going to have about 200 acres added to it now that I-40 is being torn down to make room to connect the park to the river front) / walk to the bombing memorial and museum / and on and on. They never have to leave the area.

Again, I live in Tulsa (grew up in OKC) and have been here for 20+ years but we SUCK at our leadership and getting everything going in one direction. OKC has passed Tulsa and can't even see it in the rearview mirrors.
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I agree with much of what you say but if I remember correctly, there were no Oklahoma teams in the tournament in Tulsa last year. Considering that fact, I thought the turnout was pretty good. There are major hotels within a block or two and more hotels are scheduled to be built. The Blue Dome district isn't quite as close to the BOK as Bricktown is to Chesapeak, but it's walking distance. Tulsa is years behind OKC in developing their downtown area, but if it continues to develop, I can see them making a successful bid for the Big XII tournament in the future (5 - 10 years).
 
Just saw that PAC12 is moving their tourney to Vegas! Guess it's more fair to all fans except UCLA and USC.
 
MsProudSooner said:
I agree with much of what you say but if I remember correctly, there were no Oklahoma teams in the tournament in Tulsa last year. Considering that fact, I thought the turnout was pretty good. There are major hotels within a block or two and more hotels are scheduled to be built. The Blue Dome district isn't quite as close to the BOK as Bricktown is to Chesapeak, but it's walking distance. Tulsa is years behind OKC in developing their downtown area, but if it continues to develop, I can see them making a successful bid for the Big XII tournament in the future (5 - 10 years).
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Proud, I don't see it ever happening but you never know. Tulsa's problem is to get the tax passed they split the money and gave a bunch to each community around Tulsa to use for their own projects - OKC got everyone to vote for it where the money would be used in the downtown/bricktown area. That made the money spent much more impactful. The Blue Dome district is itty bitty compared to Bricktown. And OKC is not sitting on its butt, they continue to approve extensions and spend money down there in the central area. Again, I live in the Tulsa area but we have nothing to compare to OKC. If I lived in OKC my wife and I would go to Bricktown once or twice a week to eat and hang out - I NEVER EVER consider going downtown Tulsa unless we are seeing a Broadway show - nothing there to attract us.
 
That is funny, I was at a luncheon with the Tulsa Mayor just a couple of weeks ago, and he all but guaranteed we'd be getting the Tournament again within 2-3 years.

And before you knock the attendance in Tulsa, you might want to watch some other games. Aside from the times when you have a very good local team playing very close to home, NONE of the games are completely full. I thought Tulsa represented pretty well. And Tulsa is doing a TON of stuff downtown right now, even without any sales tax monies. There are literally dozens of big projects going on right now. They are building a big park. Several apartment and condo projects. Two grocery stores are going in soon. And so on and so on. And I'm sorry, but this:

If I lived in OKC my wife and I would go to Bricktown once or twice a week to eat and hang out - I NEVER EVER consider going downtown Tulsa unless we are seeing a Broadway show - nothing there to attract us.
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.....is a stupid comment. Tulsa's downtown might not be on par with OKC's, but they overlap by probably 50-75%. There isn't THAT much more you can do in downtown OKC than you can do in downtown Tulsa.
 
DenverSooner said:
It is not about hurting MU it is about not benefiting the economy of Kansas City. Hosting that tournament is a benefit to the local economy and it should go to a city in a state with a team in the conference. If KU wants the tournament in KC, then the good people living in the Kansas part of KC should build a venue. Until that happens, the tournament should not be held in KC once the contracts are performed.
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A lot of Big 12 fans remain in KC even with MU no longer in the conference.

I still think the benefit to the local economy should be a distant second to what's best for member schools. KC is by far the best (realistic) option for Iowa State. As one of the conference's original members, they should still have a bone thrown their way every now and then.
 
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