Fellas...we are officially a basketball school...

[SoonerTraveler]

This Tulsa World writer is no fan of Bob Stoops ...

http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsext...cle_56590587-f8c3-5cfd-99e5-2c8d09a1cfc9.html

Excerpt:

This isn’t Oklahoma football.

“It’s isn’t something we’re used to,” Stoops said.

Actually, that is the first reason it’s now time for Castiglione to dig out that short list. Getting blown out in a bowl game is something Sooner Nation has become all too used to.

Starting with a 55-19 loss to USC in the 2004-05 Orange Bowl, this is the fourth time in the past decade that Stoops’ team has been utterly destroyed in a bowl game on an historic level. That list includes the 48-28 loss to West Virginia in the 2007-08 Fiesta Bowl and the 41-13 loss to Texas A&M in the 2012-13 Cotton Bowl.

There also was a 43-42 overtime loss to Boise State in the 2006-07 Fiesta Bowl — the game that allowed Boise to become Boise.

All four of the biggest bowl losses in OU history happened on Stoops’ watch. Bowl games are supposed to be fun and all, sure, but losing like this is unacceptable for a program of this pedigree.

But hey, there’s always Alabama.

 

[sheepdogs1]

You can't take the better of the qbs from last year and move him to tight end. Knight had one game. That's it.
Knight pretending to be Manziel on the scout team and it gave the coaches false hope. They chose him over Bell for that specific reason. Bell wasn't all world but he was better than knight. He proved it in several games last year.

This season was over as soon as Bell went to tight end and Thompson went to Utah. No qb competition and no backup. Knight would have lost the starting job a long time ago had anyone of those would have been on this roster or mayfield was eligible.

As for mike stoops, I'm not that critical of him yet. He had a young squad. It's not his fault that 3 guys missed those tackles on the first play. The guys were right there. And he can't help the offense put more then 6 points on the board. The offense puts our defense in bad situations over and over again. Turnover after turnover and 3 and outs all the time. A young defense cannot be on the field all game.

Missed tackles by defensive backs were not limited to the one play you illustrated but the whole season in general.

 

[sheepdogs1]

That play set the tone for the game. It seems to me that really good defensive coaches recruit and train players to tackle. Tackling, after all, is the most basic part of defense.

Another play which set the tone was one involving Trevor rolling out to his left which suddenly developed into him reversing course and looking for receivers. If you watch the tape you will notice KD Young just standing there flat footed while his quarterback was running for his life. You will also notice that Young was within a couple of steps of the OU sideline and he was doing nothing that any of the players on the sidelines weren't doing, except for one glaring thing, which was they were not part of the play, yet he was.

 

[sperry]

Mike is going to sink Bob's ship, ruin his career at Oklahoma, and tarnish his legacy. That old adage about not mixing family and business proves true once again.

Mike needs to do the right thing and resign, but given his recent interviews, he doesn't understand that he's an issue. Bob won't fire his own brother, and it's going to end with both of them getting run out of town, but not before the program is brought down several more rungs.

 

[OklahomaLibertarian]

I've said this for YEARS but Bob Stoops need to go out and do what he did when he first came to OU - go out and find the best young coordinators you can find.

I actually thought the defense had made progress. The offensive scheme is rather bizarre imo. I don't actually know what the scheme is.

Hell... At this point they could bring back the bone' lol

oh and why do they still have bowl games outside of the playoffs? They're even more useless than they were. I don't think the players cared about the game and it showed. Hell, I forgot the game was on till it was already over.

 

[bocabull]

It's so amusing to hear OU fans still blaming every assistant coach for Bob Stoops football team falling flat on their face. Going all the way back to Les Miles schooling him in 2001 and 2002 it's been apparent that Bob was simply a mediocre coach at a talent rich school playing in a weak conference. The 2000 title was a total fluke as we avoided the best team in the country who would have demolished us (Miami) due to a quirk in the BCS formula. Then Snyder exposed him again in 2003. Then Saban exposed him again. Then Pete Carroll really exposed him. Then Boise, then West Virginia. The list goes on and on. Now we are getting completely destroyed by the Texas A&Ms, Baylors and Clemsons of the world.

I bet Venables was laughing last night. Thinking of all the dumb OU fans who blamed him for OU losses. When it was really his boss who is and was always to blame.

 

[DenverSooner]

As for Heupel, I was with a bunch of OU fans at sports bars several times this season. We were laughing at how easy it was to predict his play-calling. His offense was rated high because there are good players to choose from thanks to the recruiting of Cale Gundy.

You might perceive you can do this but I guaranty you cannot. You might be able to predict run or pass based on down and distance but even that will not be 100% accurate. (You can do this with virtually all football teams, first and 10 is typically a running play, third and long is typically a passing play)


Once you predict run or pass you will not be close to 100% if asked to say inside or outside, left or right and who carries the ball.

Passing is even more difficult. Now you have zones on the defense, left, right, middle and short, medium, long.

If you truly believe you are right and I am wrong, honestly sit down and watch an OU game. Say run/pass when they line up, then inside/outside, left/right and who gets the ball. For passing, it is short, medium, long and left, middle, right.

 

[bgrch1350]

It's so amusing to hear OU fans still blaming every assistant coach for Bob Stoops football team falling flat on their face. Going all the way back to Les Miles schooling him in 2001 and 2002 it's been apparent that Bob was simply a mediocre coach at a talent rich school playing in a weak conference. The 2000 title was a total fluke as we avoided the best team in the country who would have demolished us (Miami) due to a quirk in the BCS formula. Then Snyder exposed him again in 2003. Then Saban exposed him again. Then Pete Carroll really exposed him. Then Boise, then West Virginia. The list goes on and on. Now we are getting completely destroyed by the Texas A&Ms, Baylors and Clemsons of the world.

I bet Venables was laughing last night. Thinking of all the dumb OU fans who blamed him for OU losses. When it was really his boss who is and was always to blame.

That list cracks me up.
Saban barely beat an injured Jason White who was throwing the ball side arm.
West Virginia beat us with 7 starters out
Urban Meyer beat us with no DeMarco Murray.
And that USC team had 2 heisman winners on it along with a lot more NFL players.

As for Venables. He beat a terrible offense. Who hasn't looked good against our team this year. We just lost to OSU who wasn't bowl eligible until they beat us. If Venables was our coordinator and Mike Stoops was Clemsons coordinator, Heupel and Knight would have made Mike look good.

Venables was here long enough and our defenses weren't that good. Let's not crown him king for beating a team that beat no one and lost 5 games.

 

[bgrch1350]

You might perceive you can do this but I guaranty you cannot. You might be able to predict run or pass based on down and distance but even that will not be 100% accurate. (You can do this with virtually all football teams, first and 10 is typically a running play, third and long is typically a passing play)


Once you predict run or pass you will not be close to 100% if asked to say inside or outside, left or right and who carries the ball.

Passing is even more difficult. Now you have zones on the defense, left, right, middle and short, medium, long.

If you truly believe you are right and I am wrong, honestly sit down and watch an OU game. Say run/pass when they line up, then inside/outside, left/right and who gets the ball. For passing, it is short, medium, long and left, middle, right.

Venables predicted it all night long.

 

[WaymanFan]

You might perceive you can do this but I guaranty you cannot. You might be able to predict run or pass based on down and distance but even that will not be 100% accurate. (You can do this with virtually all football teams, first and 10 is typically a running play, third and long is typically a passing play)


Once you predict run or pass you will not be close to 100% if asked to say inside or outside, left or right and who carries the ball.

Passing is even more difficult. Now you have zones on the defense, left, right, middle and short, medium, long.

If you truly believe you are right and I am wrong, honestly sit down and watch an OU game. Say run/pass when they line up, then inside/outside, left/right and who gets the ball. For passing, it is short, medium, long and left, middle, right.

You took my post more seriously than the intent or purpose of it. Someone would yell "Perine up the middle!", and he'd get the handoff and run up the middle. "Two yard pass!" and a short pass would follow. We were just having some fun; nothing more...except the fact no one at the sports bar has any use for Heupel as an offensive coordinator.

As for Traveler's post showing what was printed in the Tulsa World, that's not entirely accurate. I'm no Stoops apologist, especially right now. However, there is a 6-way tie for our biggest bowl losses - 3 by Barry and 3 by Bob which were for the title. Each had an embarrassing title game loss - Arkansas (Barry) and USC (Bob). Under no stretch of the imagination were the bowl losses against Clemson, WVU and Boise St more important than losing to Arkansas, Washington and Miami which would have won us titles in 1977, 1984 and 1987.

 

[DenverSooner]

Crazy to think how much offenses have evolved since 2003.

I'm sure similar evolutions have taken place in just about any 10-year span, but we barely had anything resembling a modern spread offenses in 2003. The read-option was a novelty used by a handful of coaches (Rich Rod, Urban, Pinkel, etc). Now it's in virtually every playbook. The pass-happy version of the spread employed by guys like Leach have also become commonplace. He was a mad scientist in 2003. Now he's just another guy coaching a spread offense.

Do you really believe that? What about Houston in 1990? What about McNaire in 1994? What about Hal Mume at Kentucky? B.J. Symons holds the record for most yardage in a season, he set it in 2003.

I don't think it is all that new.

 

[MenderofRoads]

Do you really believe that? What about Houston in 1990? What about McNaire in 1994? What about Hal Mume at Kentucky? B.J. Symons holds the record for most yardage in a season, he set it in 2003.

I don't think it is all that new.

Versions of it existed, and at times it was successful, but it was considered a gimmick by most people. Now it's everywhere.

I know there's no definite dividing line. It's not like Nebraska's triple option got demolished by Miami and everyone converted to a pass-happy spread as a result. It's the widespread acceptance of the wide-open style that is most interesting to me.

 

[DenverSooner]

Versions of it existed, and at times it was successful, but it was considered a gimmick by most people. Now it's everywhere.

I know there's no definite dividing line. It's not like Nebraska's triple option got demolished by Miami and everyone converted to a pass-happy spread as a result. It's the widespread acceptance of the wide-open style that is most interesting to me.

That is a funny statement because Nebraskas offense dominated college football for several years and no one switched to it.

 

[MenderofRoads]

Lots of teams ran an option offense.

 

[DenverSooner]

Lots of teams ran an option offense.

Really? Name ten that ran option in the mid to late 90s. I will give you your first two, Georgia Tech and Navy. I think you will be hard pressed to come up with 8 more teams running the option.

 

[WTSooner]

Really? Name ten that ran option in the mid to late 90s. I will give you your first two, Georgia Tech and Navy. I think you will be hard pressed to come up with 8 more teams running the option.

That is a little misleading, b/c that is right on the cuff of when a lot of teams were transitioning away from the option, to probably a more pro style.

That said, even OU was trying, at times, to run option in the mid to late 90's.

 

[jerry]

In todays game you have to be able to throw it too if you want to win at the highest level.

 

[MenderofRoads]

Really? Name ten that ran option in the mid to late 90s. I will give you your first two, Georgia Tech and Navy. I think you will be hard pressed to come up with 8 more teams running the option.

Missouri used it, so there's four.

Off the top of my head, I don't know of any others who were fully committed to it in that specific time window, but that's missing the point. It had been an accepted offensive strategy for decades and still had mainstream acceptance. And even teams that didn't use it still tended to be more run-oriented than is typical now.

Only eight players from 2004 would rank in the top 20 in passing yards today. Likewise for attempts. Going back to 1994, the numbers drop to three and one.

It's not that the plays or the play styles didn't exist in the past. It's that they were used far less frequently. There's been a definite shift toward a more wide-open style of offense that values the pass over the run.

 

[DenverSooner]

Missouri used it, so there's four.

Off the top of my head, I don't know of any others who were fully committed to it in that specific time window, but that's missing the point. It had been an accepted offensive strategy for decades and still had mainstream acceptance. And even teams that didn't use it still tended to be more run-oriented than is typical now.

Only eight players from 2004 would rank in the top 20 in passing yards today. Likewise for attempts. Going back to 1994, the numbers drop to three and one.

It's not that the plays or the play styles didn't exist in the past. It's that they were used far less frequently. There's been a definite shift toward a more wide-open style of offense that values the pass over the run.

I am not trying to be a jerk, I am simply pointing out that by the 90s most teams had moved away from the option to a more traditional or spread option by 1990. I further believe Mike Stoops used to be able to defend it. OU held Tech relatively in check during mikes first tenure as DC.

I agree it is much more prevalent today. I think a bigger factor is uptempo than spread.


WT - I strongly disagree that OU attempted to run any offense under John Blake. (I am only slightly joking)

 

[bgrch1350]

OU needs to jump on the Braxton Miller wagon and if he chooses to leave Ohio st, pursuade him to come here. Should be an easy sale. Shepherd on one end, Green-Beckam on the other end and Perine behind you. That equals a statue of yourself in the lawn and a trophy for you in your house.