Fire Porter Moser

[Eielson]

I’d disagree because there are lots of coaches in smaller leagues with almost no NIL budget to speak of.

So you're saying you'd be excited to hire a guy from a smaller conference that let's say....

Was top 2 in conference each of the last 4 years and had a Final 4 and Sweet 16 run to go along with it?

SEC is different. It's not the same as the MVC.

 

[WichitaSooner]

So you're saying you'd be excited to hire a guy from a smaller conference that let's say....

Was top 2 in conference each of the last 4 years and had a Final 4 and Sweet 16 run to go along with it?

SEC is different. It's not the same as the MVC.

Nope, as lots of people have pointed out, the failure with Moser that lots of us overlooked, myself included, is that his body of work was awful. He had a good run due to a few players in one recruiting class after 15 mostly crappy years.

Of course it’s different. Yet all sorts of coaches who got their starts in lesser leagues succeed when they get to a power conference. Very few coaches just start out as a power conference coach. People who think Moser isn’t a failure because he came from a lesser league. He is a failure because he is a bad coach.

 

[mict085]

Well, look at our current roster. I’d say with just an average coach, we would have three or four more wins. We had better talent than ASU, both Mississippi schools, and arguably A&M. And even though Bama is better than we are, we had control of that game multiple times, including when we had the ball and a 6-pt lead with under four minutes to play. Regardless of whether the article about where our NIL stacks up in the league is true, the reality is that we somehow snagged four highly coveted players in one year in the portal. Say what you will about past season, this season has absolutely nothing to do with a lack of NIL.

We snagged those players with NIL. Are you really this dense? Arguing for arguments sake? We spent more money this year to get better players, thus leaving no doubt what the real problem has been, moser.

You admit NIL isn’t the problem after we increased NIL to a competitive level.

 

[Stikboy]

SIAP, 4 days old but...

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Not an attack on you TEvans, but what does that even mean? Does it mean that Trilly has inside info and knows something is in the works with the OU admin? Because any moron could deduce that Moser would be on the "hot seat" with his performance. And also, what does the "hot seat" really mean at OU, anyway? Will OU ever actually do anything? A hot seat without doing anything means nothing..

 

[WichitaSooner]

We snagged those players with NIL. Are you really this dense? Arguing for arguments sake? We spent more money this year to get better players, thus leaving no doubt what the real problem has been, moser.

You admit NIL isn’t the problem after we increased NIL to a competitive level.

You don’t even make sense.

 

[Eielson]

Nope, as lots of people have pointed out, the failure with Moser that lots of us overlooked, myself included, is that his body of work was awful. He had a good run due to a few players in one recruiting class after 15 mostly crappy years.

Do you judge Saban by his time at Michigan State? Or Lane Kiffin for his time at Tenneessee and USC? Lon based on his time at Pan American?

Moser hire hasn't worked out, but he'd been excellent in his 4 years leading up to the hire, which is more relevant than what happened 20 years ago.

We likely wouldn't land anybody that has a 10-20 year track record of consistently making the Sweet 16.

 

[Soonerinkc]

Do you judge Saban by his time at Michigan State? Or Lane Kiffin for his time at Tenneessee and USC? Lon based on his time at Pan American?

Moser hire hasn't worked out, but he'd been excellent in his 4 years leading up to the hire, which is more relevant than what happened 20 years ago.

We likely wouldn't land anybody that has a 10-20 year track record of consistently making the Sweet 16.

Agree, we are going to need to find a younger guy… hopefully can build some stuff

 

[WichitaSooner]

It’s been 26 hours since the most recent data point illustrating his ineptitude. Why is he still our coach?

 

[cbertus6]

For the next coach, I’m hoping we can find someone who has out coached his peers. In other words, someone who has a very good conference record and an occasional upset. I have no problem going to the mid major level for a coach as long as they have that. If you can’t consistently beat teams at your level, you should NOT be in the running. This all seems straight forward, but hindsight has shown this was overlooked at the time we hired Moser and I would like to see us not make that same mistake again.

 

[TEvans4Three]

Not an attack on you TEvans, but what does that even mean? Does it mean that Trilly has inside info and knows something is in the works with the OU admin? Because any moron could deduce that Moser would be on the "hot seat" with his performance. And also, what does the "hot seat" really mean at OU, anyway? Will OU ever actually do anything? A hot seat without doing anything means nothing..

Totally understandable, we are in the same boat there. I am hoping it is shared bc of some inside info. But who knows?

 

[Stikboy]

Wow, a sold out LNC yesterday. Women's basketball. I guess it can be done?

 

[WTSooner]

So you're saying you'd be excited to hire a guy from a smaller conference that let's say....

Was top 2 in conference each of the last 4 years and had a Final 4 and Sweet 16 run to go along with it?

SEC is different. It's not the same as the MVC.

A younger coach that didn't have a 17 season resume as a HC that outside of a couple of seasons, was VERY underwhelming?

Yes.

 

[WTSooner]

JoeC is going to retire, job done well .. of destroying the mens program through apathy. We are lucky his one great FB hire found the rest of our coaches for him or he’d have ruined that as well (nearly did once nil was in play).

Not sure how you can call these hires apathy:

Capel - One of the top young coaches at the time. Duke pedigree. Was certainly viewed as favorable at the time in the national media.

Kruger - A future HOF coach. Was brought in to turn the program around and keep us out of trouble with the NCAA. Probably stuck around 2-3 years too long, but that is a decision Kruger had earned, and was likely given seeing as how OU had to practically beg him to take the job.

Moser - I never liked the hire, but certainly one of the hottest names in the college basketball coaching market at the time. Again, probably was held on to too long, but with the conference change, NIL/transfer changes, and all that goes with Joe C. retiring, I can understand why he is still our coach.

Apathy when it comes to the hires? No chance, even if there were some bad hires. Apathy in how long certain guys were given? Maybe.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

We really don't have anything to lose by pulling the trigger now.
I get the sense that the players don't trust Moser at all.
Let an assistant take over...it can't be worse on teh court and it might help the vibe in the lockerroom

 

[Abe]

You don’t even make sense.

Nil for women’s and men’s is still a problem. Only lower than us is South Carolina. If we want to compete for bigs we need another2mil in women’s and 4-6 mil in men’s. We have talented guards but we get out muscled and abused. Even the women need more muscle and length.

 

[cowboysooner]

Fire the coach mid season for losing a couple SEC games, only 4 games into conference play, -- some of you guys just kill me. That is so wrong and irresponsible as to be hard to believe you would post it. Quit on a team, and they will quit on you. You don't have to like Moser, or think he is a good coach, but he has never had an OU team quit on him. This won't either unless the University quits on them. BTW, firing Moser means a lot of good people lose their jobs. Knowing they won't be here, they will certainly mail it in. If after the season, they need to move on, then so be it.

As far as this season goes, I was encouraged by the Bama game. I think we are going in the right direction with this team. Playing too many kids, and with many of them missing their defensive assignments. As practice demonstrates Atak or whoever, is picking things up and willing to play better defense incorporate them back into the lineup. This approach did have us playing better defense against a great offensive team in Bama.

JMO, but I don't see the merit or reason to change coaches until and unless we get a new stadium. At this point, we are getting about the best team we can expect from a coach that makes about $3mil and a roster we are spending about $6mil on. A new coach might help, if you got the right one, but unless you are prepared to spend about $10mil for an established coach and around $15mil on NIL, you are really going to change our trajectory. Since the TV money is the same regardless of what you spend, and you guys are kidding yourselves to think you are going to significantly increase gate revenue, then why spend the money. We maximize profitability of the program (and that isn't saying much) spending what we do now.

As I have said on here several times, I'm not a big supporter of Moser nor think he is a great coach. He is a good coach with, IMO, flaws. There are plenty of coaches I would rather have. But, I want the University to be fiscally sound. With the current situation we find our selves in, i.e. free agency yearly, NIL spiraling out of control, coaches salaries spiraling out of control, declining attendance for several reasons, not just our record and the opponents we play at home, and an extremely poor stadium that makes it punishing to watch a game in person. I am surprised we spend the money we do on basketball. We might have the best we can hope for on the budget we are trying to live within.

If some of you can come up with a solution, and also explain what you think it will cost, and how we can afford it and still stay within our current budget, I am all ears. Otherwise, you are jousting with windmills.

 

[steverocks35]

Nil for women’s and men’s is still a problem. Only lower than us is South Carolina. If we want to compete for bigs we need another2mil in women’s and 4-6 mil in men’s. We have talented guards but we get out muscled and abused. Even the women need more muscle and length.

You spent a lot of time accusing some posters here of having “Porter Derangement Syndrome.” Do you still feel that way? Are you still a big supporter of PM?

 

[steverocks35]

Fire the coach mid season for losing a couple SEC games, only 4 games into conference play, -- some of you guys just kill me. That is so wrong and irresponsible as to be hard to believe you would post it. Quit on a team, and they will quit on you. You don't have to like Moser, or think he is a good coach, but he has never had an OU team quit on him. This won't either unless the University quits on them. BTW, firing Moser means a lot of good people lose their jobs. Knowing they won't be here, they will certainly mail it in. If after the season, they need to move on, then so be it.

As far as this season goes, I was encouraged by the Bama game. I think we are going in the right direction with this team. Playing too many kids, and with many of them missing their defensive assignments. As practice demonstrates Atak or whoever, is picking things up and willing to play better defense incorporate them back into the lineup. This approach did have us playing better defense against a great offensive team in Bama.

JMO, but I don't see the merit or reason to change coaches until and unless we get a new stadium. At this point, we are getting about the best team we can expect from a coach that makes about $3mil and a roster we are spending about $6mil on. A new coach might help, if you got the right one, but unless you are prepared to spend about $10mil for an established coach and around $15mil on NIL, you are really going to change our trajectory. Since the TV money is the same regardless of what you spend, and you guys are kidding yourselves to think you are going to significantly increase gate revenue, then why spend the money. We maximize profitability of the program (and that isn't saying much) spending what we do now.

As I have said on here several times, I'm not a big supporter of Moser nor think he is a great coach. He is a good coach with, IMO, flaws. There are plenty of coaches I would rather have. But, I want the University to be fiscally sound. With the current situation we find our selves in, i.e. free agency yearly, NIL spiraling out of control, coaches salaries spiraling out of control, declining attendance for several reasons, not just our record and the opponents we play at home, and an extremely poor stadium that makes it punishing to watch a game in person. I am surprised we spend the money we do on basketball. We might have the best we can hope for on the budget we are trying to live within.

If some of you can come up with a solution, and also explain what you think it will cost, and how we can afford it and still stay within our current budget, I am all ears. Otherwise, you are jousting with windmills.

I’ve seen enough. Get him out of town ASAP. He’s terrible. I was not the least bit encouraged by the Bama loss and his bad decisions.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Fire the coach mid season for losing a couple SEC games, only 4 games into conference play

Oh I can assure you, this is all he would be fired for lol

, I was encouraged by the Bama game. I think we are going in the right direction with this team.

This literally happens every year. We have one or two games that we play well in (but still lose most of them)

 

[hoopsaustin]

Nil for women’s and men’s is still a problem. Only lower than us is South Carolina. If we want to compete for bigs we need another2mil in women’s and 4-6 mil in men’s. We have talented guards but we get out muscled and abused. Even the women need more muscle and length.

For the record, I could not care less about women's sports. Sorry but they don't generate money and we have to think of the university as a business. I would cut their funding if it were up to me