Fire Porter Moser

[CoachTalk]

Yet you’ve never mentioned Nowell and just posted about Johnson. I guess if I don’t know basketball, that would make me equipped to coach your team, too.

Own it. Everyone knows who was the all American on that team. Common sense not so common.

Zero chance. You don’t know ball. You can’t talk to adults. Kids wouldn’t play for you. You couldn’t teach kids in the classroom. No one would trust you to drive a bus.

No chance you’re qualified

 

[Eielson]

You are a coach and can’t even identify who the most important player on that team was. Color me shocked.

You used to clog every thread on here crying about how our athletic department was run by morons for not hiring Tang. Haven't talked about him nearly as much following 3 straight losing seasons and being fired after a 1-11 conference record. Moser hasn't set a high bar the past 3 years, but you somehow handpicked a guy that flew way under it.

Getting into a pointless argument over Nowell (a guy he inherited) vs Johnson isn't going to help you save face.

 

[Eielson]

On the topic of coaches, I remember when Kelvin and Buzz were the fan favorites on here, which you ruthlessly mocked. We always knew getting Kelvin was a longshot, but it's even funnier in hindsight to think about all the lectures you gave us on why Lon was better then Kelvin. I guess your coaching predictions rival your football predictions this year.

I hope Moser ruins your weekend with a win against Texas. And I hope he wears one of those especially tight fitting shirts that gets your hormones revved up. Maybe even shakes the hand of somebody in fraternity clothing on camera after the game.

 

[pnkranger]

If OU goes 3-1 in the next four, I think we're in the tournament: 8-3 down the stretch. Not saying Porter should stay at all. It's time to move on, but giving props to Porter and the players: I never would have dreamed we'd got 5-2 against that stretch after going 1-9 in the previous 10. If we had pulled off any two of Alabama, Arkansas, Texas A&Mx2, Nebraska, @Mizzou, we'd be 17-12 and 6-7 in quad 1 games, firmly on the bubble if not in the tournament.

What happened in that 10 game stretch?

 

[TEvans4Three]

If OU goes 3-1 in the next four, I think we're in the tournament: 8-3 down the stretch. Not saying Porter should stay at all. It's time to move on, but giving props to Porter and the players: I never would have dreamed we'd got 5-2 against that stretch after going 1-9 in the previous 10. If we had pulled off any two of Alabama, Arkansas, Texas A&Mx2, Nebraska, @Mizzou, we'd be 17-12 and 6-7 in quad 1 games, firmly on the bubble if not in the tournament.

What happened in that 10 game stretch?

He tinkered too much, coached us out of games, set no offensive identity, made poor substitions and lineup changes. He has never once coached these kids how to play proper defense, effort.

So mostly that.

I look at our schedule and if we just played a sunken zone (2-3 until they shoot you out of it, then a 3-2 switch), we would have a win vs. Missouri, vs. Nebraska, maybe Alabama and Arkansas as well. Bama just did whatever they wanted in the paint.

Our outlook on this team with any semblence of coaching (or defense) would feel a heck of a lot better at 9-8 in conference and 19-11 or 18-12 on the season.

 

[WichitaSooner]

If OU goes 3-1 in the next four, I think we're in the tournament: 8-3 down the stretch. Not saying Porter should stay at all. It's time to move on, but giving props to Porter and the players: I never would have dreamed we'd got 5-2 against that stretch after going 1-9 in the previous 10. If we had pulled off any two of Alabama, Arkansas, Texas A&Mx2, Nebraska, @Mizzou, we'd be 17-12 and 6-7 in quad 1 games, firmly on the bubble if not in the tournament.

What happened in that 10 game stretch?

The committee doesn’t care what your record is “down the stretch.” And 19-15 with an awful schedule wouldn’t get us within a mile of making the field.

 

[hoopsaustin]

You used to clog every thread on here crying about how our athletic department was run by morons for not hiring Tang. Haven't talked about him nearly as much following 3 straight losing seasons and being fired after a 1-11 conference record. Moser hasn't set a high bar the past 3 years, but you somehow handpicked a guy that flew way under it.

Getting into a pointless argument over Nowell (a guy he inherited) vs Johnson isn't going to help you save face.

Tang out performed porter moron tho.. sooo

 

[hoopsaustin]

If OU goes 3-1 in the next four, I think we're in the tournament: 8-3 down the stretch. Not saying Porter should stay at all. It's time to move on, but giving props to Porter and the players: I never would have dreamed we'd got 5-2 against that stretch after going 1-9 in the previous 10. If we had pulled off any two of Alabama, Arkansas, Texas A&Mx2, Nebraska, @Mizzou, we'd be 17-12 and 6-7 in quad 1 games, firmly on the bubble if not in the tournament.

What happened in that 10 game stretch?

2 Out of those 5 wins were the worst teams in the conference. 1 was the 7th placed team. So basically we beat 2 good/decent teams out of those 5 wins.. the crimson glasses are coming back out of no where for some reason. I guess we're just so starved for wins

 

[WichitaSooner]

2 Out of those 5 wins were the worst teams in the conference. 1 was the 7th placed team. So basically we beat 2 good/decent teams out of those 5 wins.. the crimson glasses are coming back out of no where for some reason. I guess we're just so starved for wins

Miami (Ohio) gets to 30-0, TCU and UCLA score top-10 upsets and more college basketball thoughts

TCU, Texas A&M and Cincinnati emerged from Tuesday as the biggest bubble winners.

www.nytimes.com

This column about bubble teams doesn’t even mention OU, except in noting that Mizzou may need one more win to feel safe after last night.

You know the other funny thing — last week this board was talking about how ridiculous it is that Auburn was (at the time) considered to be in the field by many. Well, we have the same record as Auburn, but we played a much worse schedule — and yet people are now suggesting we will make it if we finish 19-15.

 

[BoulderSooner]

The committee doesn’t care what your record is “down the stretch.” And 19-15 with an awful schedule wouldn’t get us within a mile of making the field.

look i agree with you on more things then most .. but then you through things like "awful schedule" out there and it hurts your case ..

OU currently has a the #42 SOS in the country .. they will be in the top 40 after sat


top 40 is in no way an "awful Schedule"

 

[WaymanFan]

The committee doesn’t care what your record is “down the stretch.” And 19-15 with an awful schedule wouldn’t get us within a mile of making the field.

I stated the same thing last night more or less. I think 20-15 gets us noticed, but we likely need to get to the SEC Championship Tournament game in order to make it into the field. The main reason 19-15 doesn't get us any consideration is because we won't need to beat a top-25 school to get to that record. We would be beating Texas on Saturday, and then winning two games in the conference tournament against schools seeded #9 or lower...not exactly eye-popping. Furthermore, OU won more than one conference tournament game SIX times between 1997-2003...and haven't done it even once since. As such, I don't want to get my hopes up too high.

 

[WichitaSooner]

look i agree with you on more things then most .. but then you through things like "awful schedule" out there and it hurts your case ..

OU currently has a the #42 SOS in the country .. they will be in the top 40 after sat


top 40 is in no way an "awful Schedule"

I think it’s pretty clear it’s a reference to the noncon schedule, which is the only part of the schedule we control. And our noncon schedule was one of the worst in the country.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

The committee doesn’t care what your record is “down the stretch.” And 19-15 with an awful schedule wouldn’t get us within a mile of making the field.

edit: N/M boulder beat me to it.

Everyone knows are nonconf schedule was terrible.

 

[TEvans4Three]

look i agree with you on more things then most .. but then you through things like "awful schedule" out there and it hurts your case ..

OU currently has a the #42 SOS in the country .. they will be in the top 40 after sat


top 40 is in no way an "awful Schedule"

KenPom has us as the 25th overall SOS.

 

[allday92]

He has never once coached these kids how to play proper defense, effort.

Hindsight is 20/20, but there is just not much defensive talent on this team outside of Tae Davis. This team is 128th in defense on KenPom. Porter hasn't had a defense worse than 60th while he's been here.

I don't think he forgot how to coach defense. At the same time, he's responsible for the roster, and shouldn't be left off the hook for putting together a poor defensive roster. This is Porter's most talented team on offense, but not on both sides of the ball. I also think having a good defense is more than just coaching it. Offensive strategy is becoming similar at all levels. Spread pick n' roll, create advantages, and get shots at the rim or 3. Teams have to guard more space than before, and that requires having the right players/athletes to do it at a high level.

 

[WTSooner]

Hindsight is 20/20, but there is just not much defensive talent on this team outside of Tae Davis. This team is 128th in defense on KenPom. Porter hasn't had a defense worse than 60th while he's been here.

I don't think he forgot how to coach defense. At the same time, he's responsible for the roster, and shouldn't be left off the hook for putting together a poor defensive roster. This is Porter's most talented team on offense, but not on both sides of the ball. I also think having a good defense is more than just coaching it. Offensive strategy is becoming similar at all levels. Spread pick n' roll, create advantages, and get shots at the rim or 3. Teams have to guard more space than before, and that requires having the right players/athletes to do it at a high level.

What is defensive talent? Defense is about smarts and effort assuming your team is reasonably athletic (we are) and reasonably sized (we are).

We were pretty bad on defense last year too. I think the really bad defense this year has more to do with how Moser conditioned the team. He wanted them playing fast, offensive ball. While our tempo doesn't necessarily reflect that, I think the style of play does. And the tempo is slowed by the times we do have to run a half-court offense. But it seems to me from what I've watched and what Moser said before the season that he wanted a more offensive, more transition-oriented team. I think that has affected the defense. That and having a our best defensive center not be able to stay on the floor.

 

[allday92]

What is defensive talent? Defense is about smarts and effort assuming your team is reasonably athletic (we are) and reasonably sized (we are).

We were pretty bad on defense last year too. I think the really bad defense this year has more to do with how Moser conditioned the team. He wanted them playing fast, offensive ball. While our tempo doesn't necessarily reflect that, I think the style of play does. And the tempo is slowed by the times we do have to run a half-court offense. But it seems to me from what I've watched and what Moser said before the season that he wanted a more offensive, more transition-oriented team. I think that has affected the defense. That and having a our best defensive center not be able to stay on the floor.

Being a smart defender is a talent. Being able to navigate through screens is a talent. Offensive/defensive rebounding is a talent. Rim protection is a talent.

The biggest issue with the roster is that our three facilitators/shot creators on offense (X, Pack, Dayton) are all undersized/below average defenders. But, you need two of them on the court at all times to have a functional offense. Along those lines they share the court a lot of the time with Reid who is a below average defender. He's not a fluid athlete, gets lost a lot, and doesn't really navigate through screens. Our best point of attack defender (Jones) is not good enough to be a secondary facilitator/creator. They should have invested in another 5 man if this was the offensive roster construction. It reminds of the Jazz teams with Mitchell and Conley, but those teams had Gobert to clean everything up. This squad doesn't.

They are reasonably athletic, but not reasonably sized. This team should have a few more wins and be in the tournament, but I don't think they are leaps and bounds better than what we are seeing right now.

 

[Eielson]

Tang out performed porter moron tho.. sooo

No, Wichita tagged onto the hire after the unexpected Final 4 run. Tang has been clearly worse over the past 3 years. Pretty bad when considering he could handpick anybody after seeing how their coaching career started.

 

[WTSooner]

Being a smart defender is a talent. Being able to navigate through screens is a talent. Offensive/defensive rebounding is a talent. Rim protection is a talent.

Those first two everybody should be capable of learning. That isn't talent for a reasonably athletic college basketball player. The latter two, I'd still argue it's more coaching/effort, but I'll cede those aren't as black and white.

I still think the poor defense is just the tone Moser set for the season. He emphasized offense and shooting, thought we could outscore folks, and for most of the season was wrong. This should have been a pretty good defensive team, but it would have needed to come from Moser emphasizing that.

Do you honestly think Kelvin couldn't have this same roster playing top 25 defense within a few weeks? He'd simply demand it.

 

[TEvans4Three]

Hindsight is 20/20, but there is just not much defensive talent on this team outside of Tae Davis. This team is 128th in defense on KenPom. Porter hasn't had a defense worse than 60th while he's been here.

I don't think he forgot how to coach defense. At the same time, he's responsible for the roster, and shouldn't be left off the hook for putting together a poor defensive roster. This is Porter's most talented team on offense, but not on both sides of the ball. I also think having a good defense is more than just coaching it. Offensive strategy is becoming similar at all levels. Spread pick n' roll, create advantages, and get shots at the rim or 3. Teams have to guard more space than before, and that requires having the right players/athletes to do it at a high level.

I see your point, my counter to that is mostly anecdotal.

I have played with and coached young guys who have little to no offensive talent, that become the best defenders and key pieces of teams bc of effort. Rebounding and defense is all effort. So when you have teams that CONSTANTLY allow high 2P% pentration and little to no give on stopping that, play after play after play...it is coaching and effort.

You give me a Top-25 talented roster, Ill give you a junkyard dawg defense. Being sub-50 is lazy, being sub-100 is abhorrent.