General Manager

[BCSooners]

Football is a completely different animal because of shear volume.

Again, between all the coaches and support staff and Ad office, there isn’t a reason it should t be handled internally. It isn’t that much to handle

It isn’t that much to handle? Either you’re oblivious or just trolling again.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

It isn’t that much to handle? Either you’re oblivious or just trolling again.

lol ok

Coaches all of a sudden can’t do a job they’ve been doing for years? Baloney. Most of this nil portal crap is happening in the offseason. If it’s too much for a coach to handle then they probably should t be a coach to begin with. It’s a luxury to have a GM, not a necessity. Players didn’t all of a sudden start requiring attention. And message boarders can handle the portal just fine. Pretty sure a coaching staff can as well

 

[BCSooners]

lol ok

Coaches all of a sudden can’t do a job they’ve been doing for years? Baloney. Most of this nil portal crap is happening in the offseason. If it’s too much for a coach to handle then they probably should t be a coach to begin with. It’s a luxury to have a GM, not a necessity. Players didn’t all of a sudden start requiring attention. And message boarders can handle the portal just fine. Pretty sure a coaching staff can as well

It’s not the same job. Have you noticed a lot of high profile coaches retire and they cite NIL as the main reason? It’s not that the coach can’t do it, since they have been, it’s about making the program run as best as possible. I don’t know of too many company managers also perform accounting duties. Also why did you say football is a different animal? Is that not the same job they’ve been doing for years? Hint: it’s not

Can’t wait for your intelligent “lol ok” post to start your next weak argument.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

It’s not the same job. Have you noticed a lot of high profile coaches retire and they cite NIL as the main reason? It’s not that the coach can’t do it, since they have been, it’s about making the program run as best as possible. I don’t know of too many company managers also perform accounting duties. Also why did you say football is a different animal? Is that not the same job they’ve been doing for years? Hint: it’s not

Can’t wait for your intelligent “lol ok” post to start your next weak argument.

lol football has over 85 players.
85 is a lot different than 13

 

[SoonerBounce13]

It’s not the same job. Have you noticed a lot of high profile coaches retire and they cite NIL as the main reason? It’s not that the coach can’t do it, since they have been, it’s about making the program run as best as possible. I don’t know of too many company managers also perform accounting duties. Also why did you say football is a different animal? Is that not the same job they’ve been doing for years? Hint: it’s not

Can’t wait for your intelligent “lol ok” post to start your next weak argument.

And high profile coaches are leaving because of the transfer portal and what the game has become. It’s the principle of what the sport has become, not the workload for the most part.

 

[BCSooners]

lol football has over 85 players.
85 is a lot different than 13

So it’s not the same job it always has been like you said?

 

[StoopsBros]

lol football has over 85 players.
85 is a lot different than 13

I agree in part. Football and basketball aren't linear.

But my argument is...

While yes, you roster way less, there are still a bunch of players to weed through.

1000+ hit the portal this last offseason. More if you count D2, NAIA, etc (shouldn't often pertain to OU). Then you have high school basketball as well. It's hard for a guy like me to track and obviously, I don't have field a team (only hypothetically). Without proper organization, some teams have to settle more than others. That's not even talking NIL...IMO, schools like OU, that lack a proper structure, will miss out on players to programs who have things working better.

 

[BCSooners]

And high profile coaches are leaving because of the transfer portal and what the game has become. It’s the principle of what the sport has become, not the workload for the most part.

What the game has become? Like dealing with agents, guys transferring for more money, having to try and get more money for your program so you can get the talent necessary?

 

[SoonerBounce13]

What the game has become? Like dealing with agents, guys transferring for more money, having to try and get more money for your program so you can get the talent necessary?

Yes. Again, it’s the principle of it, not the workload on why they are leaving

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I agree in part. Football and basketball aren't linear.

But my argument is...

While yes, you roster way less, there are still a bunch of players to weed through.

1000+ hit the portal this last offseason. More if you count D2, NAIA, etc (shouldn't often pertain to OU). Then you have high school basketball as well. It's hard for a guy like me to track and obviously, I don't have field a team (only hypothetically). Without proper organization, some teams have to settle more than others. That's not even talking NIL...IMO, schools like OU, that lack a proper structure, will miss out on players to programs who have things working better.

I can’t argue with that. But most of that feels like the job of a GA. Not a GM.

The coach should still be over the roster build and make up. If he does t want to deal with NIL portion then the AD can be involved

 

[WichitaSooner]

Yes. Again, it’s the principle of it, not the workload on why they are leaving

So you don’t think having to re-recruit every player on your roster 365 days a year adds work compared to when you had to recruit maybe three or four high newcomers per year? That is almost always the first thing every coach says when asked about the changes in the sport. You have to constantly work your butt off to keep guys. That obviously wasn’t the case when most guys stuck around because they didn’t want to sit out a year.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

So you don’t think having to re-recruit every player on your roster 365 days a year adds work compared to when you had to recruit maybe three or four high newcomers per year? That is almost always the first thing every coach says when asked about the changes in the sport. You have to constantly work your butt off to keep guys. That obviously wasn’t the case when most guys stuck around because they didn’t want to sit out a year.

Yall are exaggerating the time coaches put in to keep players to stay

 

[WichitaSooner]

Yall are exaggerating the time coaches put in to keep players to stay

I’m not exaggerating. I’m quoting what coaches say. Are they lying/exaggerating? Perhaps, but it’s clearly become a major part of their job that didn’t exist till the last few years, so it has without question increased their workload.

Looking at our program specifically, Moser has done a miserable job retaining players and dealing with the portal. Finding a good person to help him with that seems like a good idea.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I could see a GM for all of athletics. Just seems silly for bball to have its own. But I don’t think GM is the right title either. The coach is still the manager of bball teams and personnel.

 

[TEvans4Three]

100% with SB on this.

We actually hit on that pretty hard in saying we need a GM, badly. We also discussed that we would gladly step in and handle it bc so many players fell through the cracks that would have been great roster additions. Maybe, a proper 5? (ugh)

The game has completely changed. There is no more "off-season relax time" coaches are having to manage 1000s or portalers, phone calls, visits, their own roster, high school recruiting, staff changes, practices, workouts, games, scheduling, NIL payment agreements?...etc. We can't have all of that one a coach (especially one who should be focused on the product on the floor, not the entire acquisition of free agency now).

Be smart, take away the admin type of stuff/scouting/NIL to a GM, relax your focus and produce a great product on the floor.

The "shouldn't that be the coaches job" old school mindset is going to keep OU mediocre if we don't make that type of move sooner.

 

[SoonerDutch]

Even if some of the contra arguments (NIL administration doesn’t take that much time & the athletic director should be more involved in granular NIL discussions for basketball ) being thrown around are right, which to be clear I think are absolutely wrong, OU should have some sort of GM for basketball.

A coach should be focused on roster construction & development, let someone with more business acumen/donor relations/player advocacy handle the NIL administration. As Wichita and others have said, having an elite ops guy pays enormous dividends. Moser or his replacement should not be focusing on anything outside of direct coaching.

If OU is serious, build an apparatus that allows for that. Another example of OU not following best practices of programs taking rev sports seriously.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

let someone with more business acumen/donor relations/player advocacy handle the NIL administration.

That is fine...but the coach should still be involved. and what you described doesn't really seem like a GM role to me. GM to means they are actually making the roster decisions.

 

[BCSooners]

That is fine...but the coach should still be involved. and what you described doesn't really seem like a GM role to me. GM to means they are actually making the roster decisions.

That's just what their title is, they aren't making personnel decisions. They are doing the leg work for the coach to have as much info as possible for them to make the decisions.

 

[SoonerDutch]

That is fine...but the coach should still be involved. and what you described doesn't really seem like a GM role to me. GM to means they are actually making the roster decisions.

IMO a GM at the college level is a stepped-up ops guy, but their primary responsibility especially in CBB is to handle NIL execution. If you want a different title, that’s fine although would point to whatever Morgan/Lofton are doing in FB although more ops focused because FB rosters are so much larger.

The coaching staff is calling final shots on roster construction and while I’d hope the “GM” would have some BB acumen to be an additional resource, they would primarily be responsible for managing player acquisition (portal management, HS recruiting) & retention (NIL).

Again my bigger concern is that OU either lacks resources, the initiative, or the vision, to be at the cutting edge of the competitive environment.

 

[hoopsaustin]

IMO a GM at the college level is a stepped-up ops guy, but their primary responsibility especially in CBB is to handle NIL execution. If you want a different title, that’s fine although would point to whatever Morgan/Lofton are doing in FB although more ops focused because FB rosters are so much larger.

The coaching staff is calling final shots on roster construction and while I’d hope the “GM” would have some BB acumen to be an additional resource, they would primarily be responsible for managing player acquisition (portal management, HS recruiting) & retention (NIL).

Again my bigger concern is that OU either lacks resources, the initiative, or the vision, to be at the cutting edge of the competitive environment.

I wish OU was innovative, but it's not. We are dinosaurs (relics of a lost world) in football and mens basketball (the only 2 sports that matter in NIL world and really only football matters bc it makes money). We are boyscouts focused on winning fictitious compliance of the year awards.

We should do something innovative for basketball. But I won't hold my breath

Also, if joe castiglione (who should be fired for the malpractice-like BV extension) flies off the handle unjustly and gives a ridiculous extension to moser too, i will play in traffic