Gimme a coach w/an offensive system

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We havent had an actual offensive system since Billy left...I'm ready for someone with a clear and effective idea of what they want to do on that end of the court.
 
kcoukid said:
We havent had an actual offensive system since Billy left...I'm ready for someone with a clear and effective idea of what they want to do on that end of the court.
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..and then when we hafta get another coach in 4 years because we can't recruit to that due to losses what would you like?
 
ironic, since most of the mid 80's people thought Billy was just rolling out the practice rack of balls and letting guys shoot.
 
coolm said:
..and then when we hafta get another coach in 4 years because we can't recruit to that due to losses what would you like?
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Huh? I'm not sure what you mean, but I'd make the crazy assumption that you could always find players who are capable of moving without the ball, setting solid screens, and making crisp/decisive passes within the context of an overall offensive philosophy.
 
"Offensive system" is one of the most overrated and misunderstood things mentioned on this board.
 
seniorsooner said:
"Offensive system" is one of the most overrated and misunderstood things mentioned on this board.
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I agree, but I do think they exist, and are somewhat important. Especially after 5 years of really, nothing.

And mho is that Tubbs didn't really have an offensive system, other than to try and get layups off of steals. I guess that qualifies, but in the halfcourt, they really had no identity.
 
It all depends on who you recruit. Big athletic guys with speed belong in an offense with pressure D and fastbreaks and a lot of one-on-ones. (Kentucky, L'Ville) Slower guys that can shoot with a pure point guard and a big may run a more dynamic, slow paced, halfcourt set...stressing ball control. (Big 10) Some guys don't have size or speed but can shoot and run a lot of screens and cuts in their sets. (Princeton, Butler)

It all really depends on what kind of players you go after. Every coach is different and has success with each. You just have to find the right pieces to fit. Kelvin had a slower halfcourt set. Capel I wasnt sure what he tried to do, but it is tough when your pieces leave.

I just don't see our fans, (you all), being happy with whatever offensive set is put in place that doesnt put up 90 PPG.
 
tubbs taught a defensive system... the suffocating defensive pressure lead to easy transition points... there wasn't a whole lot of offensive x's and o's going on...
 
this is so silly.

read what TEvans wrote above it is spot-on. it's not an "offensive system", it's the players and actually more about the defense they play leading to transition buckets.
 
TEvans4Three said:
It all depends on who you recruit. Big athletic guys with speed belong in an offense with pressure D and fastbreaks and a lot of one-on-ones. (Kentucky, L'Ville) Slower guys that can shoot with a pure point guard and a big may run a more dynamic, slow paced, halfcourt set...stressing ball control. (Big 10) Some guys don't have size or speed but can shoot and run a lot of screens and cuts in their sets. (Princeton, Butler)

It all really depends on what kind of players you go after. Every coach is different and has success with each. You just have to find the right pieces to fit. Kelvin had a slower halfcourt set. Capel I wasnt sure what he tried to do, but it is tough when your pieces leave.

I just don't see our fans, (you all), being happy with whatever offensive set is put in place that doesnt put up 90 PPG.
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Im for any offensive set that doesn't require the offense being ran at half speed till the last 10 seconds of the shot clock and we get to see a high screen set for the guard and he drives into the lane and forces a shot or passes out for a 20 foot jumper as the clock is about to expire. That drives me nuts!!!
 
coolm brought up a good point. Defense plays a HUGE role in what type of offense you can run as well. You can't have guys with a halfcourt squad playing fullcourt full pressure D. You are going to have a difficult time finding a coach that is great at both. You have to pick your poison. Yes, some defensive minded guys will stress more offense than others. Kentucky has ZERO offensive sets. It is pass it around, until someone drives force a shot, or give it to Jorts downlow.

The key is personnel. It might be nice to find a coach who can adapt to what players he brings in or has to work with.

For example, when I coached at Terry Evans basketball camp, I had one team the Wed. that was small but fast and we had a good PG so we pushed the ball and tried to get fast breaks. My other team we had a big body and slowed it down to play an inside outside game. (Mostly inside) So personnel is big too and knowing what to do with them.
 
TEvans4Three said:
coolm brought up a good point. Defense plays a HUGE role in what type of offense you can run as well. You can't have guys with a halfcourt squad playing fullcourt full pressure D. You are going to have a difficult time finding a coach that is great at both. You have to pick your poison. Yes, some defensive minded guys will stress more offense than others. Kentucky has ZERO offensive sets. It is pass it around, until someone drives force a shot, or give it to Jorts downlow.

The key is personnel. It might be nice to find a coach who can adapt to what players he brings in or has to work with.

For example, when I coached at Terry Evans basketball camp, I had one team the Wed. that was small but fast and we had a good PG so we pushed the ball and tried to get fast breaks. My other team we had a big body and slowed it down to play an inside outside game. (Mostly inside) So personnel is big too and knowing what to do with them.
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What do you prefer? I always liked having the low block guy that could score
 
ctewj87 said:
What do you prefer? I always liked having the low block guy that could score
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that would be great ... but that's what just about every coach wants. there are very few players yearly who can play the necessary defense on the low block AND rebound AND who have an actual offensive skill set that translates to major D1 college ball. FEW. and those few are snatched up by the top schools ASAP.
 
I prefer a team with a Big body down low(rebounder/defender he doesnt have to be a scorer), athletic PF, 2-shooters (either the PG and SG or SG and SF) If the first I want my SF to be a slasher/shutdown defender. If the latter, I want a PG who can dribble drive, create opportunities. Ideally the PG would do that normally, but with shooting PGs you normally see them drive and dish than drive and create. (sounds similar but different)

Although I was a big fan of Louisville when they played us a few years back and their run-heavy/3 pt shooting style. I am not gonna lie, I love 3 point shooters. It opens up the middle for the big men.
 
coolm said:
that would be great ... but that's what just about every coach wants. there are very few players yearly who can play the necessary defense on the low block AND rebound AND who have an actual offensive skill set that translates to major D1 college ball. FEW. and those few are snatched up by the top schools ASAP.
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So in your opinion, why has the low post game almost become nonexistent in the past decade?
 
ctewj87 said:
So in your opinion, why has the low post game almost become nonexistent in the past decade?
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because kids perceive it as slow and methodical so they spurn it and the big guys don't learn the requisite skills...Kevin McHale talks about this all the time.
 
TEvans4Three said:
I prefer a team with a Big body down low(rebounder/defender he doesnt have to be a scorer), athletic PF, 2-shooters (either the PG and SG or SG and SF) If the first I want my SF to be a slasher/shutdown defender. If the latter, I want a PG who can dribble drive, create opportunities. Ideally the PG would do that normally, but with shooting PGs you normally see them drive and dish than drive and create. (sounds similar but different)

Although I was a big fan of Louisville when they played us a few years back and their run-heavy/3 pt shooting style. I am not gonna lie, I love 3 point shooters. It opens up the middle for the big men.
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I have no problem with the 3 ball either. Just hate to watch teams that don't utilize the post game.
 
dubyac said:
wait a minute... why does coolm get all the love... i said the same thing right before him... this is B.S... i want my props!!!
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dubyac brought up a good point earlier, before coolm.........k?


ctew I agree, but for teams to have real success with the 3 ball and to get open shots you have to utilize the big man, set screens, dribble drive looking to either take it strong or kick it out to the open man. Seems easy, but it is asking quite a bit if your personnel is wrong.
 
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