Gimme a coach w/an offensive system

[ctewj87]

because kids perceive it as slow and methodical so they spurn it and the big guys don't learn the requisite skills...Kevin McHale talks about this all the time.

McHale was one of the all-time greats. Barkley said that was the best player he played against. I think it is unfortunate that kids see it that way because low post play is an art.

 

[ctewj87]

dubyac brought up a good point earlier, before coolm.........k?


ctew I agree, but for teams to have real success with the 3 ball and to get open shots you have to utilize the big man, set screens, dribble drive looking to either take it strong or kick it out to the open man. Seems easy, but it is asking quite a bit if your personnel is wrong.

When your watching a game, do you think screens are set poorly or do guys not rub off the screens correctly?

 

[dubyac]

dubyac brought up a good point earlier, before coolm.........k?


ctew I agree, but for teams to have real success with the 3 ball and to get open shots you have to utilize the big man, set screens, dribble drive looking to either take it strong or kick it out to the open man. Seems easy, but it is asking quite a bit if your personnel is wrong.

thats better...

 

[TEvans4Three]

When your watching a game, do you think screens are set poorly or do guys not rub off the screens correctly?

I think it is a two person problem. You have the screener usually going through the motion or waiting to roll off. Or you have a guy who just runs a flat semi-circle cut. A lot of players use the screen to go from one side of the perimeter to the other. But it works best when the cutter hits that screeners shoulder and makes a sharp cut to the basket. Almost always open.

So I would say 60/40 blame, mostly on the cutter. I loved watching the Celtics play because Perkins and Ray Allen screen better than just about any two players I had seen. Perkins would hit you and not care and Allen just knows how to get open. It was very enjoyable to watch.

 

[SoonerinNC]

True you need a good overall system that starts with defense and baskets off transition. But if you rely on that on offense you run into a Bobby Knight or Bill Self coached team and you just don't get the fast break points regardless of how well you defend or rebound.

And of course there are offensive systems that are better than others. And of course the better the talent the better the systems works if the team is well disciplined.

Roy Williams has the best running game of any Div I coach. Duke depends on the trey. Both depend on excellent athletes. Snyder's system depends on a lot of movement and screening and doesn't require quite as much athleticism.

As much as Sampson's system was panned it was geared to getting the best players open for shots that they could hit. He didn't believe in an equal opportunity offense. Sometimes it took 30 seconds of screening but if you remember the last year Sampson was at OU Michael Neal had some very big games. He didn't the next year.

 

[ctewj87]

I think it is a two person problem. You have the screener usually going through the motion or waiting to roll off. Or you have a guy who just runs a flat semi-circle cut. A lot of players use the screen to go from one side of the perimeter to the other. But it works best when the cutter hits that screeners shoulder and makes a sharp cut to the basket. Almost always open.

So I would say 60/40 blame, mostly on the cutter. I loved watching the Celtics play because Perkins and Ray Allen screen better than just about any two players I had seen. Perkins would hit you and not care and Allen just knows how to get open. It was very enjoyable to watch.

That was the one thing I enjoyed about Bobby Knight teams. Yes, a lot of people hate the guy but he taught guys the right ways to set screens and rub off screens. And yeah, Ray Allen is killer coming off screens. Reggie Miller was pretty good too.

 

[ctewj87]

True you need a good overall system that starts with defense and baskets off transition. But if you rely on that on offense you run into a Bobby Knight or Bill Self coached team and you just don't get the fast break points regardless of how well you defend or rebound.

And of course there are offensive systems that are better than others. And of course the better the talent the better the systems works if the team is well disciplined.

Roy Williams has the best running game of any Div I coach. Duke depends on the trey. Both depend on excellent athletes. Snyder's system depends on a lot of movement and screening and doesn't require quite as much athleticism.

As much as Sampson's system was panned it was geared to getting the best players open for shots that they could hit. He didn't believe in an equal opportunity offense. Sometimes it took 30 seconds of screening but if you remember the last year Sampson was at OU Michael Neal had some very big games. He didn't the next year.

I love the Roy Williams and Bill Self system. Fast pace and they get their post players down the floor in the offensive sets quickly.

 

[AdaSooner]

You younger guys need to pay attention to what TEvans and coolm are saying. They're both spot on. The only thing I would add is that really good coaches adjust their offensive schemes to the players they bring in. Not all coaches have the luxury of recruiting to their system year after year. Those who can't adapt to the players they're able to sign, usually run hot and cold in the win column from one season to the next.

Kelvin was constantly criticized for the offense he ran. But he knew that good defense is something he could rely on when the shots weren't falling and when he failed to sign players who could score a lot of points. I'm a huge fan of high-scoring offenses. How can you not get excited about teams that run up and down the floor, score, pressure to get the ball back and score again? Billy Tubbs and Jerry Tarkanian pioneered run and gun basketball. But take good defense out of the game, and you're not going to fare too well at a school like OU in this day and time.

 

[NickZepp]

The highest scoring team in the nation the last 5 years or 6 years is Virginia Military Institute. Go look it up, they score somewhere over 90 points a game every year. I think they might have made the NCAA Tournament once in that time.

 

[Section31]

Kelvin was constantly criticized for the offense he ran.

Wait...he ran an offense????
















I keed, I keed...:clap

 

[AdaSooner]

Wait...he ran an offense????
















I keed, I keed...:clap

No, you're not. :ez-laugh:

 

[Sooner23]

Maybe Joe C. should just pull up the list of the top scoring teams over the last five years. Start from top to bottom on the list and start calling each coach of those teams until one takes the job. Sounds like a plan.

 

[greenbug]

It all depends on who you recruit. Big athletic guys with speed belong in an offense with pressure D and fastbreaks and a lot of one-on-ones. (Kentucky, L'Ville) Slower guys that can shoot with a pure point guard and a big may run a more dynamic, slow paced, halfcourt set...stressing ball control. (Big 10) Some guys don't have size or speed but can shoot and run a lot of screens and cuts in their sets. (Princeton, Butler)

It all really depends on what kind of players you go after. Every coach is different and has success with each. You just have to find the right pieces to fit. Kelvin had a slower halfcourt set. Capel I wasnt sure what he tried to do, but it is tough when your pieces leave.

I just don't see our fans, (you all), being happy with whatever offensive set is put in place that doesnt put up 90 PPG.

Doesn't have to put up 90 but PLEASE stay out of the 40's. and take a shot before the 10 second mark.

 

[greenbug]

Im for any offensive set that doesn't require the offense being ran at half speed till the last 10 seconds of the shot clock and we get to see a high screen set for the guard and he drives into the lane and forces a shot or passes out for a 20 foot jumper as the clock is about to expire. That drives me nuts!!!

Yeah I didn't like Sampson's system either.