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He's been on a crusade about the officiating. I don't think I've ever heard a pundit be more outspoken about it. The other day he was on The Sports Animal with Al and Traber. He brought up the OU/NDSU game. He said while OU choked the last minute of the game the foul in OT on Woodard was absolutely ridiculous, allowing the freshaman to get to the line and get 2 free points, game over. Tonight on Twitter and on the air he has been going off on the bad officiating in tonight's games. He said that the way the officials are being graded in the tournament that they get downgraded for missing a call so they just call everything, it's really ruining the tournament games.
 
I agree with what he said.

Officials should be judged on their body of work and not one game to advance to the next round.
 
Sometimes a guy like Doug needs to be reminded why he got kicked out of Notre Dame.
 
He's been on a crusade about the officiating. I don't think I've ever heard a pundit be more outspoken about it. The other day he was on The Sports Animal with Al and Traber. He brought up the OU/NDSU game. He said while OU choked the last minute of the game the foul in OT on Woodard was absolutely ridiculous, allowing the freshaman to get to the line and get 2 free points, game over. Tonight on Twitter and on the air he has been going off on the bad officiating in tonight's games. He said that the way the officials are being graded in the tournament that they get downgraded for missing a call so they just call everything, it's really ruining the tournament games.


The worst call of the entire tournament was the technical for the preface dunk by a walk on for KSU. The rule states inside of 20:00 you can't dunk and he dunked at 19:58. Why not a warning or reminder? That's a joke IMO.
 
The coaches and ADs wanted the change, it was their initiative in the off-season. Any change or emphasis on the rules starts with them.

The worst call (or non-call) of the tournament was the play last night in the Kentucky/Louisville game where they passed on a charge when the UK player barreled over Hancock. Weird no one is talking about that one.
 
Sometimes a guy like Doug needs to be reminded why he got kicked out of Notre Dame.

I think Doug G. can be annoying and a complete tool, and acts like a doofus on TV sometimes. I think he's pretty knowledgeable though... Not trying to bag on your post, but shouldn't he be allowed to move past that incident? Not really trying to defend the guy just saying, he can't do anything about that now, and I'm sure he regrets it. Can't believe I just defended a poke.. Oh well onwards and upwards!
 
I think Doug G. can be annoying and a complete tool, and acts like a doofus on TV sometimes. I think he's pretty knowledgeable though... Not trying to bag on your post, but shouldn't he be allowed to move past that incident? Not really trying to defend the guy just saying, he can't do anything about that now, and I'm sure he regrets it. Can't believe I just defended a poke.. Oh well onwards and upwards!

No doubt. I don't like the guy, but.... He's good at what he does, and thank God I'm not still judged by decisions I made at the age of 20.

Move on. Dude made a huge mistake and paid the price.
 
I think Doug G. can be annoying and a complete tool, and acts like a doofus on TV sometimes. I think he's pretty knowledgeable though... Not trying to bag on your post, but shouldn't he be allowed to move past that incident? Not really trying to defend the guy just saying, he can't do anything about that now, and I'm sure he regrets it. Can't believe I just defended a poke.. Oh well onwards and upwards!

Yeah he should be able to move past it, but the way he acts sometimes drives me back to that time. I guess the other thing is that he is a Sheepherder. I will admit, unless he is talking about OSWHO, he is very knowledgeable.
 
Man I totally agree, he does come off as arrogant sometimes.
 
Sometimes a guy like Doug needs to be reminded why he got kicked out of Notre Dame.

I think Doug Gotlieb has gotten well past that mistake. He screwed as a kid but it should not define him for life. People make mistakes. People do destructive things. It really isn't our place to judge (although we all do). If we must judge, we should probably allow for some forgiveness after 16 or 17 years for petty theft while a teenager (I think he was 18 or 19 when he stole).

Is your past really so perfect you can judge Gotlieb so many years later? Mine isn't.
 
What was interesting was Traber asked him if he were interested in the OSU coaching job.

His answer was kind of bizarre, he said that as of that particular day he could not give an informed answer.

It was almost like, OSU doesn't have a coaching vacancy (yet) but come and ask me if (when) they do.
 
There was another time late in the game when a Louisville player went up for a layup and was clearly hit on the arm. No call and there is no way that that should have been missed.
 
Barkley was also very critical of the officiating tonight.

I think Doug Gotlieb has gotten well past that mistake. He screwed as a kid but it should not define him for life. People make mistakes. People do destructive things. It really isn't our place to judge (although we all do). If we must judge, we should probably allow for some forgiveness after 16 or 17 years for petty theft while a teenager (I think he was 18 or 19 when he stole).

Is your past really so perfect you can judge Gotlieb so many years later? Mine isn't.

Let's just say I could never really run for public office. At least not as a conservative. :ed
 
What was interesting was Traber asked him if he were interested in the OSU coaching job.

His answer was kind of bizarre, he said that as of that particular day he could not give an informed answer.

It was almost like, OSU doesn't have a coaching vacancy (yet) but come and ask me if (when) they do.

He did not want to lie but thought it inappropriate to say he wanted the job is my take but yes what you said.

Arrogant style perhaps, knowledgeable yes, but in a boat rocker way which would be good for college basketball if a few more talking heads would try to get on that same page with Doug.
 
The worst part of officiating is the reliance on official reviews. Reviews take way too long, kill the momentum of the game, and, worse, they make the refs, not the players and coaches, the focus of the game. A game shouldn't swing on a bang-bang play that a frame-by-frame analysis shows was off by a fingernail. I say play on.
 
The worst part of officiating is the reliance on official reviews. Reviews take way too long, kill the momentum of the game, and, worse, they make the refs, not the players and coaches, the focus of the game. A game shouldn't swing on a bang-bang play that a frame-by-frame analysis shows was off by a fingernail. I say play on.

Good point it should be refined to if you can't tell after you decide the best camera clip and watch that twice then by rule it's non conclusive.
 
The replays are necessary because fans and media are mostly unreasonable. It's a little ironic to me to complain about replay in the same thread that people are complaining about calls. We want to get the calls right, right? So who cares how long it takes? Just get the call right.

No single officiating call can cost you anything (although multiple gaffes can certainly cost you, see: OU-Oregon in 2007).

I grew up a big baseball fan (less so these days) but the first time I truly fell in love with a team was the Cardinals...in 1985. For some of you, I shouldn't have to say one more word but for the rest of you, I will.

Don Denkinger made what is probably (maybe even inarguably) the worst call in the history of modern baseball. If so, it's the worst because it happened with the Cards right on the cusp of winning the World Series in Game 6 (up 3 games to 2), in the 9th inning of a game they were winning...a World Series they would go on to lose to the craptastic Royals.

The moral to the story is, from 1985 (age 10 for me) to probably age 25 or thereabouts, I fully blamed Don Denkinger for the Cards losing that World Series.

But the bottom line is, after I fully grew up, it's pretty damn obvious they had a ton of opportunities, otherwise, to win that World Series. And if I can come to terms with this bad call...or even the awful call in the Texas game in 1984...blaming officials, refs, umpires...it's what sore losers do. You create your own luck, you create your own opportunities and you either win the game for yourself or you lose it for yourself. Nobody else does it to you.

There's nothing more annoying for me than harping on a call. Now, I understand general criticism, say one football team had a STACK of penalties and the other team had very few, and just happened to be the home team or something. Or one team had a TON more fouls than another in basketball. That's a general criticism that makes sense. But this idea that (for instance) the charge vs Arizona last night cost them the game or something - that's nonsense. There are tons of missed opportunities for either team all game long.

ALL THAT SAID, there are very rare situations where officiating is actually so egregiously bad that one error is compounded by more than one. Don Denkinger missed one call at first base. That, in retrospect, even for this Cardinal fan, and if not taken in isolation, didn't cost the Cardinals the '85 World Series. But the Oregon F-up, where an INSTANT REPLAY official with a chance to correct an on-field mistake - missed THREE separate issues in order to uphold the call on the field...yes, that's an officiating blunder for the ages. An all timer. And yes, there is no question it cost OU the game.
 
Doug would be open to coach at OSU if the job opened. To me it's too big of a risk.
 
The replays are necessary because fans and media are mostly unreasonable. It's a little ironic to me to complain about replay in the same thread that people are complaining about calls. We want to get the calls right, right? So who cares how long it takes? Just get the call right.

No single officiating call can cost you anything (although multiple gaffes can certainly cost you, see: OU-Oregon in 2007).

I grew up a big baseball fan (less so these days) but the first time I truly fell in love with a team was the Cardinals...in 1985. For some of you, I shouldn't have to say one more word but for the rest of you, I will.

Don Denkinger made what is probably (maybe even inarguably) the worst call in the history of modern baseball. If so, it's the worst because it happened with the Cards right on the cusp of winning the World Series in Game 6 (up 3 games to 2), in the 9th inning of a game they were winning...a World Series they would go on to lose to the craptastic Royals.

The moral to the story is, from 1985 (age 10 for me) to probably age 25 or thereabouts, I fully blamed Don Denkinger for the Cards losing that World Series.

But the bottom line is, after I fully grew up, it's pretty damn obvious they had a ton of opportunities, otherwise, to win that World Series. And if I can come to terms with this bad call...or even the awful call in the Texas game in 1984...blaming officials, refs, umpires...it's what sore losers do. You create your own luck, you create your own opportunities and you either win the game for yourself or you lose it for yourself. Nobody else does it to you.

There's nothing more annoying for me than harping on a call. Now, I understand general criticism, say one football team had a STACK of penalties and the other team had very few, and just happened to be the home team or something. Or one team had a TON more fouls than another in basketball. That's a general criticism that makes sense. But this idea that (for instance) the charge vs Arizona last night cost them the game or something - that's nonsense. There are tons of missed opportunities for either team all game long.

ALL THAT SAID, there are very rare situations where officiating is actually so egregiously bad that one error is compounded by more than one. Don Denkinger missed one call at first base. That, in retrospect, even for this Cardinal fan, and if not taken in isolation, didn't cost the Cardinals the '85 World Series. But the Oregon F-up, where an INSTANT REPLAY official with a chance to correct an on-field mistake - missed THREE separate issues in order to uphold the call on the field...yes, that's an officiating blunder for the ages. An all timer. And yes, there is no question it cost OU the game.


Ham,

You are being massively naïve about this. If an official cannot alter the outcome of games, then why did the mafia pay an NBA official for 10 years to do just that. You better believe officials can determine both point spreads and outcomes of games. The mafia is serious when gambling and not going to do that for year after year after year if it is not working.

And the official was rated as one of the absolute top officials in the league. He would not have been caught except the records were found when the mafia was being investigated. Usually we just assume their bad/questionable calls are either due to personal bias (they may be unaware of) or due to a lack of ability. Unfortunately, that is clearly not always the case.

As much money as is bet on college sports it is incredibly naïve to believe there are no parties trying to influence games via officials. That is why it is so important that officials be held to answer for bad calls - or calling a game in a way that helps one team and disadvantages the other. Many leagues avoid any public mention of that because they don't want fans to start thinking about it.
 
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