Unanimous selection: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...ig-12-player-year-oklahoma-sooners-trae-young
Don't agree with that decison at all.
Don't agree with that decison at all.
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Well if you think Trae should have gotten it’s hard to give it to a guy on a team that finished tied for 9th out of 10 teams in the conference standings.
That's fairly disingenuous, considering this was the closest conference race I've ever seen. 9 of the 10 teams in the league finished within 4 games of first place over an 18 game schedule.
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Trust me I’m not disagreeing with you - I’m not a fan of Graham. Clearly nobody else who voted sees it that way in terms of the standings so you get a unanimous decision in the end.
Yeah, it's recency bias. Graham played great the last 3 weeks of the season. Trae outplayed him for the first 3 months though. Even though they won the league, that has more to do with the lack of quality teams at the top than anything Graham or Kansas did.
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I always look at it this way. What would Graham's numbers have been if he were at OU and what would the W/L record have been and same goes for Trae at KU. Also, I blame Texass for the KU streak. No team has done less with more NBA talent then them. Such a waste.
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Graham shot 40% from the field on the season - guy had some good games down the stretch and also a bunch of horrendous ones during the course of conf play like against OSU where he breaks the rim. I would have given it to Keenan Evans over him.
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Finally someone who understands conference standings!!
That said, I don't have a huge issue with Graham winning it. I'm.not a fan of the guy but to just look at offensive stats is way too simplistic. He also spent most of every game guarding the other team's best player and made a lot of huge plays late in games to help them win the league. If we had finished within shouting distance of KU, I think Trae would have had a good chance, but a five game gap is tough to ignore.
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Hey stop being so correct, I'm trying to bash our team here.
So STUPID. He may be the POY of the best team BUT he is Not the POY in any way shape possible!!
We need to find out who from Oklahoma voted on this ballot. They should be ASHAMED for voting for Graham!! Find out someone who are the voters from Oklahoma and we should wear them out IMO.
We need to find out who from Oklahoma voted on this ballot. They should be ASHAMED for voting for Graham!! Find out someone who are the voters from Oklahoma and we should wear them out IMO.
Well we are the 9th seed, likely because of our conference road record, so carry on
Just stating my opinion, that’s what this board is for right? Graham didn’t have every team every night designing a defense to stop him and he didn’t have double teams and sometimes triple teams. And with all that he still didn’t come near TY in stats. The voters missed this one big time.
Trae would smoke Graham as National POY, but I tend to agree with Self's take that the conference POY should be predominantly determined by how they played in conference. Trae's play dropped off considerably about half way through conference play. That's not enough to kill his NPOY chances, but made it tough to be CPOY.
Whatever each voter decides it is, which is usually the best player on the one of the best teams. The last time the POY award went to someone outside the top 3 teams was 2009-2010 (old Big 12).
FWIW, Trae's conference per game stats are still better than Graham's stats.
Depends on the statistics you look at. Graham shot better from 3 and had a much better a/t ratio, in addition to being a much better defender.
He's not a transcendent talent like Trae, but Graham is a winner, and I've always been a big fan of his. I remember watching him lockdown Buddy in Norman after Buddy had torched them for 46 in Lawrence. I have little doubt we'd have won more conference games with him than Trae this year.
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Not only should it be based on what they did in conference play only, but defense matters. Graham played defense and Trae didn't. Trae has had a great freshman season but he wasn't better than Graham in the 18 conference games.
OU might have won 4-5 fewer conf games without TY; maybe more. KU might have won 3-4 fewer games without Graham but they won 5 more games. I don’t have a problem with him winning it.
TY was more valuable to OU than Graham to KU but wins matter. OU lost too many games, including several where we had second half leads. Plenty of blame to go around for our losses but it would be difficult for me to give it to TY if I had a vote.
On the other hand Graham is one of the weaker recipients I can recall.
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TY was more valuable to OU than Graham to KU but wins matter. OU lost too many games, including several where we had second half leads. Plenty of blame to go around for our losses but it would be difficult for me to give it to TY if I had a vote.
On the other hand Graham is one of the weaker recipients I can recall.
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