Has It Come True?

[Southie]

Taking one fact out of many doesn't prove an argument. Are you even aware of the anti-Texas stories in the DMN over the past thirty years?

It's the only "fact" she made to TRY to support her argument. But, neither of you will acknowledge that she was 100% wrong in using the location of the first few football championship games as being a direct result of the Big 12 offices being located in KC.

 

[Southie]

Anyone who wants to do an internet search will learn that it was giving so much control to the Texas schools that drove Nebraska out. They made that very clear.

And that once the contracts were completed, the football championship was moved to Arlington. It had been in Missouri more than any other location until the Northern schools abandoned us. It has now been moved to Dallas for what will be 7 straight games (no game for several years in the middle of that) after this contract unfolds. Who knows what will happen after that.

And OU could have gone to the Pac-12 just like Colorado did, but we were uncertain about the financial issues about giving up the Red River Rivalry. That is why we tried to get Texas to cooperate and give up their TV agreement. They would not, so we finally decided to stay.

Once again, you are trying to spin things. Do you really believe Nebraska would state publicly they were leaving because they hadn't won a Big 12 football championship since 1999? Easier to blame someone else to deflect from the true problems, something you've mastered very nicely on here.

The football game was "moved" to Arlington because it was a brand new state of the art stadium with a retractable roof, while KC's below freezing temperatures were unbearable for fans and players. And, for the last several years prior to 2017, there wasn't even a football championship game being held, so the state of Texas didn't have any major championship for Big 12 sports.

I guess having the Big 12 baseball championships in OKC all these years is okay with you? And, KC hosting more men's and women's hoops tournaments than Dallas and OKC combined is also okay with you?

OU stayed in the Big 12 because it has no other options. Could have gone with A&M to the SEC, but didn't want to risk losing football supremacy they currently have in the Big 12; kind of the opposite as to why Nebraska truly left.

PAC 12 is currently struggling financially, as is their TV network. So, even if the PAC 16 had come about, it would be behind the B1G and SEC as far as revenue for each school. Sometimes things work out for the best.

 

[Southie]

Okay, just to recap.

Having the Big 12 offices in Dallas is the reason OU women's basketball is not as strong as it was back in the Paris twins days, even though the Big 12 offices were already in Dallas at that time, as well.

And, the Big 12 offices being in Dallas is the reason why Baylor and Texas are recruiting very well in women's basketball these days.

And, it's Texas' fault for everything else.

Got it.

 

[sybarite]

Just kind of consider two things.

1. Texas was in the SWC. It folded.

2. Texas moved to the Big Eight which had been intact with six, seven, or eight teams for over seventy years, a rather stable relationship. Now, four teams have left it.

Why is it that wherever Texas goes, havoc follows? Coincidence?

 

[Southie]

Just kind of consider two things.

1. Texas was in the SWC. It folded.

2. Texas moved to the Big Eight which had been intact with six, seven, or eight teams for over seventy years, a rather stable relationship. Now, four teams have left it.

Why is it that wherever Texas goes, havoc follows? Coincidence?

So were Tech and Baylor, if you want facts.

No one forced OU to remain in the Big (12-2). Why did they stay if they aren't happy with Texas? Could it be that they had no other options they liked?

OU knows exactly why they stayed in the Big (12-2). You just don't want to admit it.

 

[Oliver Hardy]

All of a sudden this feels like the Conference realignment mega thread over on LandThieves.

Let me shoot myself now, God, please.

 

[sybarite]

So were Tech and Baylor, if you want facts.

No one forced OU to remain in the Big (12-2). Why did they stay if they aren't happy with Texas? Could it be that they had no other options they liked?

OU knows exactly why they stayed in the Big (12-2). You just don't want to admit it.

I think Boren wanted to stay with Texas. I don't know what the options were. I was looking for other alternatives ten years ago. I would have loved to have gone with the Big East before it disassembled. I liked the original ACC. But, what I want has no relevance in the discussion.

Fact: where Texas goes has not worked out well recently. You explain it. I don't have the facts. I tend to think of it as being kind of like typhoid. We didn't know what was causing it. But, it seemed that if you were around someone who had it, you were likely to get it.

I think the Big Twelve is on the way to dissociation. If you can't even admit that there are only ten of you, you already have a problem.

 

[Southie]

I think Boren wanted to stay with Texas. I don't know what the options were. I was looking for other alternatives ten years ago. I would have loved to have gone with the Big East before it disassembled. I liked the original ACC. But, what I want has no relevance in the discussion.

Fact: where Texas goes has not worked out well recently. You explain it. I don't have the facts. I tend to think of it as being kind of like typhoid. We didn't know what was causing it. But, it seemed that if you were around someone who had it, you were likely to get it.

I think the Big Twelve is on the way to dissociation. If you can't even admit that there are only ten of you, you already have a problem.

That's fine. If you want to blame Texas (only) for any and all problems OU is having, great. It is what it is. But, Texas did not prevent OU from going to the SEC (where I believe they had an invite with A&M), or trying to get an invite from the B1G or PAC.

From what I recall, Castiglione wanted to stay/go wherever Texas went. Boren had other ideas. Surely you remember his comments about OU not being a "wallflower".

 

[sybarite]

That's fine. If you want to blame Texas (only) for any and all problems OU is having, great. It is what it is. But, Texas did not prevent OU from going to the SEC (where I believe they had an invite with A&M), or trying to get an invite from the B1G or PAC.

From what I recall, Castiglione wanted to stay/go wherever Texas went. Boren had other ideas. Surely you remember his comments about OU not being a "wallflower".

I remember. I also know he is a politician first. He allied himself to Texas. I think he saw a potential of an OU-Texas alliance that could create a more favorable conference.

I don't know that you can say that I blame Texas. I made an observation and indicated what people thought. I do think the alliance is unnecessary. OU did quite well separated from Texas from 1915 to 1996. Recruited pretty well in Texas as well. They weren't loyal to Texas---too many other schools in Texas. I see that both schools have some decisions to make. The Big Twelve will die.