Hoiberg may be interested in Bulls job

[ChongoChingi]

http://whotv.com/2015/05/18/report-fred-hoiberg-would-accept-bulls-coaching-job-if-offered-2/

 

[Sooner-Bred]

The Bulls would never offer it to him. In today's world, if you make the jump from college to the NBA, you have to be a "brand name". You have to have respect across all levels, and be a Final Four, National Championship level coach.

Brad Stevens, Billy Donovan, Rick Pitino, John Calipari, etc. have fit that bill.

Fred Hoiberg does not. At least not yet.

He's never been past the Sweet Sixteen.

He's never coached a guy who's played an NBA game.

He isn't a hire that would excite a fan base like Chicago.

They have to make a HOME RUN hire, a guy that the fans can get behind from day 1 and the players would respect.

Fred Hoiberg is NOT that guy.

EDIT: I'm reading a lot of articles now, ALL of which mention Hoiberg as a top candidate, so maybe I'm wrong. That would just seem like a TERRIBLE hire in my eyes. I just can't see guys like Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah respecting him, or the fans getting excited about him. Chicago is a hard city to please, and I can't see them getting behind Fred Hoiberg.

 

[Sooner-Bred]

Some guys I think could be candidates:

1. Patrick Ewing- He's been an NBA assistant for 13 years, he's one of the best big men of all time. He's a brand name who the players and fans would respect.

2. Jim Boylen- You guys might not have heard of this guy, but every NBA player and die-hard NBA fan knows who he is. He's the lead assistant for the Spurs, has won tons of titles, knows how to create chemistry and run a championship caliber team.

3. Alvin Gentry- The lead assistant for the GS Warriors would be a great hire. Thats IF the Pelicans don't pilfer him first.

 

[usedtobe1]

The Bulls would never offer it to him. In today's world, if you make the jump from college to the NBA, you have to be a "brand name". You have to have respect across all levels, and be a Final Four, National Championship level coach.

Brad Stevens, Billy Donovan, Rick Pitino, John Calipari, etc. have fit that bill.

Fred Hoiberg does not. At least not yet.

He's never been past the Sweet Sixteen.

He's never coached a guy who's played an NBA game.

He isn't a hire that would excite a fan base like Chicago.

They have to make a HOME RUN hire, a guy that the fans can get behind from day 1 and the players would respect.

Fred Hoiberg is NOT that guy.

EDIT: I'm reading a lot of articles now, ALL of which mention Hoiberg as a top candidate, so maybe I'm wrong. That would just seem like a TERRIBLE hire in my eyes. I just can't see guys like Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah respecting him, or the fans getting excited about him. Chicago is a hard city to please, and I can't see them getting behind Fred Hoiberg.

You left out 1 thing that trumps all that college coaching experience. NBA playing experience. Hoiberg played 10 years in the NBA including 4 years in Chicago. Look how many guys are NBA coaches that never coached anywhere yet were named an NBA head coach. Steve Kerr. Jason Kidd. Mark Jackson. The list goes on and on.

 

[bgrch1350]

I just can't see him leaving Iowa state. He's really done a great job in such a short time.

 

[Sooner-Bred]

You left out 1 thing that trumps all that college coaching experience. NBA playing experience. Hoiberg played 10 years in the NBA including 4 years in Chicago. Look how many guys are NBA coaches that never coached anywhere yet were named an NBA head coach. Steve Kerr. Jason Kidd. Mark Jackson. The list goes on and on.

Those 3 names are quite a bit different than Fred Hoiberg though.

If Fred Hoiberg weren't a coach, most of today's players would have zero clue who he is.

If the 3 guys you mentioned weren't coaching, EVERYONE would still know who they are.

But you're right, playing experience is a nice piece of his resume.

 

[campbest]

Those 3 names are quite a bit different than Fred Hoiberg though.

If Fred Hoiberg weren't a coach, most of today's players would have zero clue who he is.

If the 3 guys you mentioned weren't coaching, EVERYONE would still know who they are.

But you're right, playing experience is a nice piece of his resume.

Only reason people know who Steve Kerr was a few years ago is because he worked for TNT. Outside of that, his experience and Hoiberg's are nearly identical.

 

[MercedeSooner]

That would be one scary job to take if I were someone like Hoiberg.

 

[boksooner]

In addition to his 10 years of playing experience, Hoiberg has served as an assistant GM for 3 years and a Vice President for Basketball Operations for another. He knows the NBA game.

According to Wiki, he already has the job.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hoiberg

I am sure that was just an overzealous fan

 

[ChongoChingi]

It may just be a bid to get some more money from Iowa State but it at least shows that he is not set in stone at IS. I like Hoiberg and the teams he has put together. If he left IS would probably go back to their mediocre at best status.

 

[thebigabd]

If he stays in Ames:

• He will be a mega millionaire
• He will have job security for as long as he wants
• He will continue to win at the college level
• The fans and town will adore him
• He will only have to coach 35 games a year
• They will erect statues of him and probably name the damn arena after him

If he goes to the NBA:

• He will be a mega millionaire
• He will have job security until his first losing season, then will get fired
• He may or may not win at the NBA level
• The fans and town will like him only if he gets Chicago into the finals, otherwise, they will boo and hate him
• He will have to coach a minimum of 82 games a year
• He will, in all likelihood, not have statues erected in his honor or have the arena named after him

So he has to coach more than double the amount of games, while also increase his risk exponentially.

Tom Thibodeu makes 4 million per year
Fred Hoiberg made 2.6 million in 2014

Hoiberg's salary breakdown through 2023:

2014-15: $2.2 million
2015-16: $2.3 million
2016-17: $2.4 million
2017-18: $2.5 million
2018-19: $2.6 million
2019-20: $2.7 million
2020-21: $2.8 million
2021-22: $2.9 million
2022-23: $3.0 million

This doesn't include his bonuses and incentives for winning, getting in the NCAA Tournament, etc. He makes more than 5 NBA coaches make.

Roughly half the salary, but remember he is coaching 35 games instead of 82+ and the NCAA regulates how often and how long the team can practice. His risk also goes up significantly in the NBA.

 

[DenverSooner]

Those 3 names are quite a bit different than Fred Hoiberg though.

If Fred Hoiberg weren't a coach, most of today's players would have zero clue who he is.

If the 3 guys you mentioned weren't coaching, EVERYONE would still know who they are.

But you're right, playing experience is a nice piece of his resume.

I don't think Kerr is quite a bit different than Hoiberg.

 

[CoachTalk]

when the bulls make a change... It will be freddy... Its a love fest made in Bulls role play heaven.

 

[campbest]

If he doesn't take it, will because of his health and wife.

 

[DenverSooner]

If he stays in Ames:

• He will be a mega millionaire
• He will have job security for as long as he wants
• He will continue to win at the college level
• The fans and town will adore him
• He will only have to coach 35 games a year
• They will erect statues of him and probably name the damn arena after him

If he goes to the NBA:

• He will be a mega millionaire
• He will have job security until his first losing season, then will get fired
• He may or may not win at the NBA level
• The fans and town will like him only if he gets Chicago into the finals, otherwise, they will boo and hate him
• He will have to coach a minimum of 82 games a year
• He will, in all likelihood, not have statues erected in his honor or have the arena named after him

So he has to coach more than double the amount of games, while also increase his risk exponentially.

Tom Thibodeu makes 4 million per year
Fred Hoiberg made 2.6 million in 2014

Hoiberg's salary breakdown through 2023:

2014-15: $2.2 million
2015-16: $2.3 million
2016-17: $2.4 million
2017-18: $2.5 million
2018-19: $2.6 million
2019-20: $2.7 million
2020-21: $2.8 million
2021-22: $2.9 million
2022-23: $3.0 million

This doesn't include his bonuses and incentives for winning, getting in the NCAA Tournament, etc. He makes more than 5 NBA coaches make.

Roughly half the salary, but remember he is coaching 35 games instead of 82+ and the NCAA regulates how often and how long the team can practice. His risk also goes up significantly in the NBA.

To me this really demonstrates well it is simply what Hoiberg wants that will drive this decision. While he will make less at ISU at either job he makes plenty to live really well. Plus he has better job security, the cost of living is much less and he has life long family and friends in Ames.

 

[sperry]

Who knows if Kerr can coach. He inherited one of the best contextual NBA rosters ever, since it has a ton of players who are in their primes and playing way under their market value.

Curry and Bogut make less than they should because of injury concerns, but both have been healthy. Thompson hadn't broken out as a superstar until this year. Green adn Barnes are still on rookie contracts.




Hoiberg will be the same as most. The coach isn't that important, aside from managing egos. It's the roster that matters.

 

[WaymanFan]

I can't imagine the timing being worse for Hoiberg to leave. If he stays, he has a legit Final Four talented roster. Coaching at a school which is both your Alma mater and has never been to the Final Four, I can't think of a reason why he'd want any NBA coaching job AT THIS TIME.

 

[dahldennsull]

If he stays in Ames:

• 
  Roughly half the salary, but remember he is coaching 35 games instead of 82+ and the NCAA regulates how often and how long the team can practice. His risk also goes up significantly in the NBA.

• 
  
  You left off one of the big reasons a lot of coaches want to push for pro's over college too... Recruiting year round. It never stops, class after class you have to be scouting, calling, writing letters, hosting recruits.

 

[Max Power]

Only reason people know who Steve Kerr was a few years ago is because he worked for TNT. Outside of that, his experience and Hoiberg's are nearly identical.

True before that he was known as "that white guy Jordan passed to with the game on the line that one time"

 

[sperry]

You left off one of the big reasons a lot of coaches want to push for pro's over college too... Recruiting year round. It never stops, class after class you have to be scouting, calling, writing letters, hosting recruits.

Yeah, kissing the asses of 17 year old kids day in day out has got to be miserable.