Hoiberg may be interested in Bulls job

[usedtobe1]

In addition to his 10 years of playing experience, Hoiberg has served as an assistant GM for 3 years and a Vice President for Basketball Operations for another. He knows the NBA game.

Exactly. The NBA is an entirely different game than NCAA. Holberg already knows all the nuances and what buttons to push and not to push. He also has the added benefit of having proven himself as a winning coach so he's not just an ex-NBA player.

Hoiberg may want the challenge. If he doesn't try it, then he will never know. If he tries it and either fails or doesn't like it, he would have no trouble returning to the college game at an elite school.

Another key is to pick the right moment to jump to the NBA.Some franchises don't have a chance to win. Steve Kerr going to Golden State was the right place at the right time. The Bulls is probably the right place at the right time too. Their roster is good and deep. They're loaded.

I bet he takes the job when it's officially offered.

 

[BoulderSooner]

EDIT: I'm reading a lot of articles now, ALL of which mention Hoiberg as a top candidate, so maybe I'm wrong. That would just seem like a TERRIBLE hire in my eyes. I just can't see guys like Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah respecting him, or the fans getting excited about him. Chicago is a hard city to please, and I can't see them getting behind Fred Hoiberg.

you are wrong ..

 

[thebigabd]

You left off one of the big reasons a lot of coaches want to push for pro's over college too... Recruiting year round. It never stops, class after class you have to be scouting, calling, writing letters, hosting recruits.

Yep, that is a con for college coaching. You have assistants, scouts, etc who do a lot of it for you, but you still have to do it yourself as well.

I still have to imagine that pro coaching is more work. 82+ games, scouting for the draft, summer leagues, running/managing the team, public events, press events, etc.

 

[bgrch1350]

You left off one of the big reasons a lot of coaches want to push for pro's over college too... Recruiting year round. It never stops, class after class you have to be scouting, calling, writing letters, hosting recruits.

Recruiting year round isn't a burden to everyone. A lot of coaches like it. And year round is an exaggeration b/c they have certain times when they can't have any communications with kids.
Dont forget the pluses either
They don't coach kids year round. He can't even coach his kids until October I believe...maybe November...whenever midnight madness is.
He doesn't have to coach 82 regular season games...not to mention the playoff games (and if you don't coach playoff games, you don't keep a job very long)
His vacation started in March where as if he was coaching the bulls...his vacation just now started.
And college you are the guy. You are the top paid person on the staff. Where in the NBA, your salary is at the bottom. The fact that players are paid more then the head coach tells you where coaches rank on the totem pole.
Hoiberg has job security for the rest of his life at Iowa St. They will never let him go. He could be let go in a year in the NBA.
And, he is the head coach...he doesn't recruit near as much as his assistants. He doesn't go on the road to scout near as much as his staff.

Scott Brooks did a good job here. Made it to the championship game, and he's had to deal with injuries the last couple of years...and he was fired. If Donovan doesn't make it to the championship game in the next 2 years...he's gone. And then that job he built at Florida is longer available if he wanted to come back to college.

 

[Sooner-Bred]

you are wrong ..

Great input to the conversation.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Who knows if Kerr can coach. He inherited one of the best contextual NBA rosters ever, since it has a ton of players who are in their primes and playing way under their market value.

Curry and Bogut make less than they should because of injury concerns, but both have been healthy. Thompson hadn't broken out as a superstar until this year. Green adn Barnes are still on rookie contracts.




Hoiberg will be the same as most. The coach isn't that important, aside from managing egos. It's the roster that matters.

we absolutely know that kerr can coach .. the warriors improved in every measureable way .. O and D ..

 

[sperry]

we absolutely know that kerr can coach .. the warriors improved in every measureable way .. O and D ..

They're a bunch of young players who got a year older and better. The jumps they've made are similar to the ones the Thunder made under Brooks, and no one is claiming he's any kind of great coahc.

 

[thebigabd]

Recruiting year round isn't a burden to everyone. A lot of coaches like it. And year round is an exaggeration b/c they have certain times when they can't have any communications with kids.
Dont forget the pluses either
They don't coach kids year round. He can't even coach his kids until October I believe...maybe November...whenever midnight madness is.
He doesn't have to coach 82 regular season games...not to mention the playoff games (and if you don't coach playoff games, you don't keep a job very long)
His vacation started in March where as if he was coaching the bulls...his vacation just now started.
And college you are the guy. You are the top paid person on the staff. Where in the NBA, your salary is at the bottom. The fact that players are paid more then the head coach tells you where coaches rank on the totem pole.
Hoiberg has job security for the rest of his life at Iowa St. They will never let him go. He could be let go in a year in the NBA.
And, he is the head coach...he doesn't recruit near as much as his assistants. He doesn't go on the road to scout near as much as his staff.

Scott Brooks did a good job here. Made it to the championship game, and he's had to deal with injuries the last couple of years...and he was fired. If Donovan doesn't make it to the championship game in the next 2 years...he's gone. And then that job he built at Florida is longer available if he wanted to come back to college.

Yep... it's really not a wise decision to leave such a stable, high paying job to go into the circus that is NBA coaching. There really isn't much glory in pro coaching anymore either... it's all about the players. In college, it's about the coaching. Example... People always say Duke, Coach K, etc won another championship. 10 years from now people won't say Okafor won a championship, they will say Coach K did... in the NBA, it is the opposite for the most part. It is defined by players. Kobe Bryant, Shaq, Lebron, Duncan, Parker, etc.

Also....The coach he would be replacing is the fastest coach in NBA history to win 100 games, NBA Coach of the Year, had a 62 win season, and in other years has finished 2nd and 3rd in NBA Coach of the Year voting..... AND HE IS GOING TO GET FIRED.

 

[campbest]

To much conservatism in this thread...sometimes you have to take risk and go big. It's about coaching the greatest in the world at the pinnacle of basketball.

You don't think The Mayor couldn't get another head coaching gig in college? He will make more money by trying to go pro, failing, and returning to college than just staying at Iowa State.

 

[thebigabd]

To much conservatism in this thread...sometimes you have to take risk and go big. It's about coaching the greatest in the world at the pinnacle of basketball.

You don't think The Mayor couldn't get another head coaching gig in college? He will make more money by trying to go pro, failing, and returning to college than just staying at Iowa State.

He gets paid more than 5-6 current NBA coaches and does less than half the amount of work. I guess I don't see the "going big" part?

 

[boksooner]

He gets paid more than 5-6 current NBA coaches and does less than half the amount of work. I guess I don't see the "going big" part?

Some people just want to coach the best players in the world against the best coaches in the world. That isn't happening at ISU.

 

[thebigabd]

Some people just want to coach the best players in the world against the best coaches in the world. That isn't happening at ISU.

Best coaches in the world? Doesnt Quin Snyder, Derek Fisher, Jason Kidd, etc coach in the NBA?

 

[campbest]

Best coaches in the world? Doesnt Quin Snyder, Derek Fisher, Jason Kidd, etc coach in the NBA?

Quin Snyder has more collegiate head coaching success than Fred Hoiberg...last time I checked the Mayor hasn't been to an elite eight.

 

[boksooner]

Best coaches in the world? Doesnt Quin Snyder, Derek Fisher, Jason Kidd, etc coach in the NBA?

And Travis Ford coaches in the Big XII. What does that have to do with anything? Having some coaches that aren't as good doesn't mean that the best coaches, overall, aren't in the NBA.

 

[campbest]

He gets paid more than 5-6 current NBA coaches and does less than half the amount of work. I guess I don't see the "going big" part?

You are really underestimating the recruiting aspect, especially when it's a program trying to get a foothold on the national scene.

Do Coach K, Caliparie, Izzo, Self have it easier? Of course, their name (and school) sells. For Hoiberg, Painter, Miles, McDermott and any of those other Midwest guys...they have to put in the time with recruits. There is a reason Hoiberg takes so many transfers...

 

[thebigabd]

You are really underestimating the recruiting aspect, especially when it's a program trying to get a foothold on the national scene.

Do Coach K, Caliparie, Izzo, Self have it easier? Of course, their name (and school) sells. For Hoiberg, Painter, Miles, McDermott and any of those other Midwest guys...they have to put in the time with recruits. There is a reason Hoiberg takes so many transfers...

We will just have to agree to disagree on this one. We will see what he does and how long it takes before he gets fired if he does take it.

 

[BoulderSooner]

They're a bunch of young players who got a year older and better. The jumps they've made are similar to the ones the Thunder made under Brooks, and no one is claiming he's any kind of great coahc.

a lot more to do with following analytics on both O and D and coaching his players to play that way ...

 

[WaymanFan]

You don't think The Mayor couldn't get another head coaching gig in college? He will make more money by trying to go pro, failing, and returning to college than just staying at Iowa State.

Of course he can. Will he also get another college coaching job which he walks into a situation which he has a Final Four roster in place? No, but I guess he can spend a few (or several) years trying to build up a roster that he already has in place RIGHT NOW.

Again, it goes back to timing. I would have hated if Billy Tubbs or Kelvin Sampson left us the year prior to when they had their best-ever teams.

 

[mizzOUstu702]

Looks like the job's officially open: http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/stor...o-bulls-fire-tom-thibodeau-coach-five-seasons

 

[Smash Williams]

They're a bunch of young players who got a year older and better. The jumps they've made are similar to the ones the Thunder made under Brooks, and no one is claiming he's any kind of great coahc.

It's one thing to jump from young lottery team to playoff team, but going from 51 wins (lower-rung, non-contending playoff team) to 67 wins (historically great) is much more difficult.

The Warriors didn't go from being a mediocre offensive team a year ago to elite this year simply by way of young players developing. There is a night and day difference in the amount of ball movement and motion in Kerr's offense versus Mark Jackson's iso-heavy offense.

It's quite probable that Golden State would have been better this year than they were last year if Jackson were still the coach, but they wouldn't have won 67 games with Jackson insisting on David Lee starting and playing 50% more minutes than Draymond Green. Lee wasn't even in the playoff rotation until Speights went down. Does anyone honestly believe that Jackson would've had the balls to bench Lee let alone, complete remove him from the rotation?

The Warriors wouldn't have won 67 games with Jackson's steadfast commitment to playing two traditional bigs at almost all times with a healthy Lee, with the vast majority of Green's minutes at SF. Believing that Jackson would have done things differently this year requires ignoring the fact that after the Warriors upset the Nuggets and pushed the Spurs two years ago behind a small-ball lineup in the wake of Lee's injury, Jackson went back to his old lineups.

The Warriors wouldn't have won 67 games with Jackson's hockey-style substitution pattern that resulted in several minutes of all-reserve units featuring a heavy dose of Harrison Barnes post-ups.

The Warriors wouldn't have won 67 games with Jarrett Jack running the crunch time offense instead of Curry, which Jackson chose to do two years ago.

If you want to question Kerr's coaching acumen by arguing that we don't know how much of the difference in this year's coaching versus last year's is due to Kerr having great assistants, then fine. But if you're arguing that there is no qualitative difference in Golden State's style of play and their efficiency on both ends of the floor beyond young players improving, then I don't know what to tell you.