tmeyer3307
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Odomes needs to learn to go right first then shoot!! What D1 bball player can't go both ways and use both hands??
Odomes needs to learn to go right first then shoot!! What D1 bball player can't go both ways and use both hands??
Ere was definitely not a "high level shooter". By any definition.
Good analysis but I think a little low on our current team and a little to high ratings on some of the Sampson era teams.
Odomes needs to learn to go right first then shoot!! What D1 bball player can't go both ways and use both hands??
Over estimated them, or they are in year long funks. Not everyone on the team is going to be that great. if Lattin, Buford, James, McGusty, Doolittle, etc all met fans expectations OU would be undefeated.
Odomes needs to shoot 1,000 free throws per day all off-season... If he gets up to 85% he can make that jump to "good player", instead of just a slasher/role player. It's not far fetched for him.
He's the goods, no doubt. He's the new foundation of the program, along with Mcgusty.
Let's say, just for the sake of debate, they went juco to fill these gaps immediately. Let's take a look at some area juco transfers.
PG: Daryl Macon (Arkansas) - Came in and is averaging 13 points, 3 assists, and shooting 38% from 3 in first year out of juco for Arkansas
SG: Kameron McGusty
SF: Rashard Odomes
PF: Kristian Doolittle
PF: Vladimir Brodziansky (TCU) --- TCU went out and got a 6'11'' 225 forward from juco, averaging 14/6 for them. These guys are out there. Only plays 23 minutes a game and puts up these numbers.
High Level Shooter:
Rob Gray (Houston Cougars via Howard Juco).... Classic Kelvin Sampson juco recruit. High level shooter averaging 20 points per game for Sampson at Houston.
Rebounder:
Devin Davis (Houston Cougars via Odessa Juco)... 6'7'' 230 forward averaging 10 points and 7 rebounds in his first year for Sampson. Another typical Sampson kinda guy.
Fill out next years roster with juco guys like this and OU is back in business. They are out there. How do I know, because these guys are currently first year jucos at Arkansas, TCU, Houston, etc. They are everywhere.
Just go get them, pair them with McGusty, Doolittle, Odomes, and the other guys and you are cooking with peanut oil.
I take exception with not naming Quannas White a good player. He was everything to that group. And he had to carry a big scoring load the next year (2003) when Ere caught Ryan Minor Disease (a senior who loses his shooting stroke.)Kelvin always said you needed 3 good players, and then people filling roles around those 3 good players.
Take the Sampson final four team for example:
Good Players
Ace Mcghee
Hollis Price
Ebie Ere
High Level Shooters
Quannas White
Hollis Price
Ebi Ere
High Level Slashers
Jason Detrick
Quannas White
High Level Rebounders
Ace Mcghee
Jabarhi Brown
Reliable point guard
Quannas White
Overall Hustle Guy
Daryan Selvy
Kelvin could beat anybody on a given night, and he could lose to damn near anybody on a given night. But they would defend like crazy and rebound like their life depended on it. This team simply cannot defend well enough to rebound as poorly as they do.The problem is that Lattin, Buford, and James were supposed to be more than just "depth". And I don't know what to make of that yet.
If Sampson was coaching this team, they'd be better. Not necessarily b/c Sampson is the better coach, but b/c he would do three things. Get them playing tougher defense. Get them running actual sets/plays on offense. And limit the number of shots that are taken by our non-top 3-4 players.
They also got their clock cleaned in Stillwater and just lost to Missouri. Missouri is terrible. Awful. Arkansas can't win on the road for nothing. Where have you gone, Sidney Moncrief?To illustrate... Arkansas lost 4-5 seniors, had some gaps to fill, and Mike Anderson went out and got Daryl Macon, Jaylen Barford, and Arlando Cook out of juco for the year.
They are getting 13 ppg out of Macon, 12 ppg out of Barford, and 4 ppg out of Cook.
Arkansas is now 17-6, and got 30 ppg right out of the gate from a few juco guys.
I disagree. Anybody who averages 10 a game and plays quality D can be in my starting lineup anytime. He'll be a good one for us moving forward.Odomes is Daryan Selvey. If he's a starter, we're inherently limited.
They also got their clock cleaned in Stillwater and just lost to Missouri. Missouri is terrible. Awful. Arkansas can't win on the road for nothing. Where have you gone, Sidney Moncrief?
I'm sure if we could give unlimited scholarships Lon and the crew would've gotten as many JUCO's as they could. We only had 3 to give last year, and 2 of those guys are our best players, and another was a JUCO guy!
Can't go "fill the roster with JUCO's" this next year unless we run a bunch of guys off
Good stuff here.OU strikes out on the Pritchards and Youngs of the world ALL THE TIME. Then you are left holding the bag.
You look at OU's big super star guys, Buddy Hield was an overlooked guy from the Bahamas, 3 star. Blake Griffin had his brother at OU and is from Edmond. Eduard Najera, Hollis Price, etc were all overlooked guys.
OU doesn't nab a ton of these high profile national guys that Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, etc are going after.
OU needs to realize who they are. I think Sampson knew exactly who OU really was, and how to put a winning team together on a regular basis at OU. Capel had horrible down years, Kruger is having a horrible down year, etc because they are trying to take best players available and then having to fill spots with guys who aren't OU level players.
This is all opinion of course, but I can make an argument that non-Sampson recruiting strategy has led to some really bad years and some big recruit strikeouts.
You sit around and wait for Pritchards and Youngs and you miss out on other guys who could have made your team a lot better, maybe even put a really good, top 5 seed team, etc on the floor.
That's really what it's all about... Compete in the Big 12 race, try to get a good seed, and try to make a run. That is OU basketball. That's always been OU basketball.
Oubre was about 10X better than Odomes not even close!
We've had back luck. We lost two of the guys Kruger was likely counting on to be starters this year, in Pritchard and Grandstaff, and we lost them at a point that it was too late to replace them.
Oubre was about 10X better than Odomes not even close!
We've had back luck. We lost two of the guys Kruger was likely counting on to be starters this year, in Pritchard and Grandstaff, and we lost them at a point that it was too late to replace them.
JUCOs are not the answer. D1 transfers are. OU should be looking to take a transfer in every class. Ryan Spangler, Romero Osby, Tashawn Thomas, and M'bath M'baye have been high end performers for OU. Those guys are out there, go get them. You take some of those guys to complement the high school guys you've been developing in the program. For example, coming off of a final four run, Lon Kruger should have had no problem getting a grad transfer who could contribute, rather than needlessly delaying the start of C.J. Coles medical career by a year.