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That looks like a sure fire final 4 lineup to me. Anybody that thinks otherwise is a hillbilly.
How good is this roster next year...
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Of course, we've never had two teams above one of the bottom 3 leave the conference...
EDIT: Oh, and to be clear, I'm not sure we get to top 3, but it would be nice if you guys would recognize that, in the grand scheme of the New Big XII, it's not SOOO far fetched.
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LOL...this is right on.
brgch is the same person that said he would rather have an elite eight followed by multiple losing seasons than 7 consecutive NCAA appearances with 1st and 2nd round losses.
He's also the same person who tried to convince me that Cade Davis would have started over Nolan Johnson, Michael Johnson (PG), and Bobby Joe Evans (4/5).
And, last but not least, he also posted yesterday he values the opinions of fellow coaches when they proclaim Jeff should be given more time.
I think from this list you can tell he only sees the situation thru crimson colored glasses which is good sometimes.
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Two teams in the middle of the Big 12 don't really change anything for OU IMO.
You trade one game against CU and one against NU (games you split this year) for extra games against kansas, kansas state, Missouri and Iowa State (1-3 against those four). I don't see how you can spin that as a positive for OU.
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Better offensively, but still not good on defense/rebounding.
I don't see Osby as a very good rebounder, or defender. Fitz isn't going to do well at the 5 spot, we've seen that. Clark has a chance to be a great defender, but I couldn't call him that now. Pledger is average at SG. Blair is below average. Newell has athletic ability, but can't keep anybody in front of him without fouling.
I'm not one of the guys that buys in to Osby having some huge impact. Heard it before. It's much easier to dominate in practice, when you know you aren't playing. We'll see what happens when the lights are on, the games mean something, and he's going against better talent, that is better coached.
I just pointed out that there are few "spots" to move up due to two teams leaving.
Who knows how they'll be, but I DO know this. This team has won more games than most picked to them win. They have some decent pieces. If the guys they have improve and the new-comers pan out...ALL big "ifs", but of course THAT'S EXACTLY what the poster you are referring to said, then I don't think its far-fetched. It's not any different than YOU assuming Mizzou will somehow be great next year.
How easily YOU forget that outside of KU (and KSU or MU every few years), the South has been the tougher half of the conference. So, you'd have to also assume the North teams are none too excited about having to play home and homes with ALL of the South teams. I'm sure you'll have some BS response to that notion, but the facts don't lie.
BTW, that same CU team that drubbed your beloved Tigers????:clap
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Yes, MU lost to CU in Boulder. So did the team currently in 1st in the conference. Pretty sure neither game has anything to do with OU right now.
You're right that if all those "big 'ifs'" do pan out perfectly for OU, it's not far-fetched that you'd improve significantly. Then again, it's not far-fetched that I could make an NBA summer roster if I woke up tomorrow 16 inches taller than I am right now. But it probably won't work out that way.
OU has won 12 games this year, 4 in the Big 12. You can try to spin that as overachieving if you want, but no matter how you slice it, that's just flat out not very good. Teams rarely go from that to conference challengers overnight with primarily the same roster.
You're right that if all those "big 'ifs'" do pan out perfectly for OU, it's not far-fetched that you'd improve significantly. Then again, it's not far-fetched that I could make an NBA summer roster if I woke up tomorrow 16 inches taller than I am right now. But it probably won't work out that way.
OU has won 12 games this year, 4 in the Big 12. You can try to spin that as overachieving if you want, but no matter how you slice it, that's just flat out not very good. Teams rarely go from that to conference challengers overnight with primarily the same roster.
This team loses mainly because they have no post depth. HOPEFULLY, they get that. Again, this team has some nice parts...they will improve (I'd bet on that) and if Osby can defend the post and rebound, they will be significantly better.
I don't think he said they'd win the conference either. I just don't think it's a stretch that they could finish top 3 and you've posted nothing to change my opinion that it IS a stretch...
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You cant.
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We have a lot more problems, that are equally troubling, IMO.
Guards aren't consistent. Guards turn it over too much. Guards don't defend particularly well. Guards can't get to the rim (most of the time).
While we certainly need help inside, I'm not convinced Osby/Goff are going to make a huge difference. Maybe 2-3 games.
Guards win/lose college basketball games. Right now, our guard play is below average.
OK, so they are currently in 10th. IF, and I don't think this is ANY stretch at all, they win the OSU and Tech games, they can finish as high as 8th (tied with Nebraska). So, IF you consider that looking at next year, that puts them at 7th. As has been pointed out, some of the teams at the top lose some key contributors. So, how can it be out of the question to think an improved version of this team could finish in the top 3. Neither side knows for sure. Again, I don't think they WILL, but I certainly don't call the guy crazy.
I won't totally disagree with you, except to say, I think we have issues defending the post worse than anything. With a serviceable big yesterday, that game is MUCH closer.
It's all just conjecture and we will find out next year (maybe)...
It's really not worth your time to be anything close to optimistic around here right now.
The losing streak has taken its' toll on the fans. I understand it to a point, but it's out of hand right now.
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Top 3 finishers typically are also challenging for a conference title at some point during the season.
Returning players at every school will improve. You can't count on that for significant movement in the conference standings.
OU's depth will probably be better next year, but you'll be relying on an unproven juco (possibly two) and a transfer who was mediocre (at best) in two years in the SEC. Throwing out a couple more bodies won't make a difference if the talent doesn't also increase.
I really don't see any realistic or even semi-realistic scenario in which OU is better next year than kansas, Texas, Texas A&M or Missouri. I could see improving a few spots, but that's it.
Once in the last 4 years, this was true.
Not counting on it, but you can't say for sure it won't happen or isn't even likely.
BTW, while doing some research on some of this, I came across this little nugget and you're really gonna look dumb on this one. You said teams in the lower half of the conference rarely go to challenging for the conference. Forget for a second that NO ONE said anything about that AND that I pointed out that being a top 3 team has qualified a team as challenging for the conf title has only occurred once in the past 4 years. Check out the conference standing from 2007-08, then check out the standing from 2008-09...YOUR FRIGGIN TIGERS DID JUST THAT!!!!
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You miss where I said that kind of improvement rarely happens without significant changes to the roster? Yes, it happens, but not when a team returns a similar team.
Since you're into doing research right now, why don't you check the roster for those 08-7-08 Tigers. Compare that to the elite eight team a year later. Over half the previous year's roster had been replaced.
Likewise... Baylor went from 9th to 2nd with one major addition. Put a guy like Udoh in the middle of the defense for any team and that's a major change.
I feel extremely confident saying it's not likely OU finishes in the top 3-4 of the Big 12 next year without some major and unexpected changes.
Even suggesting a top 3 finish next year for OU is a pipe dream at this point. There is absolutely zero evidence suggesting that should even come close to a realistic goal.
Since you're into doing research right now, why don't you check the roster for those 08-7-08 Tigers. Compare that to the elite eight team a year later. Over half the previous year's roster had been replaced.
Likewise... Baylor went from 9th to 2nd with one major addition. Put a guy like Udoh in the middle of the defense for any team and that's a major change.
I feel extremely confident saying it's not likely OU finishes in the top 3-4 of the Big 12 next year without some major and unexpected changes.
Even suggesting a top 3 finish next year for OU is a pipe dream at this point. There is absolutely zero evidence suggesting that should even come close to a realistic goal.
Are you a complete hard-head??? So, you're telling me that if someone woulda told you back when MU and BU did it you expected it???
Good grief. When people on this board draw a line in the sand, they just will not cross it.
I won't discuss it with you again. Sorry for wasting your time...
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