I don't care what people say about Kelvin Sampson

Had it not been for Super Blake to coming in and saving the day, I doubt there'd be any real success since KS has left.

So yes, KS messed **** up.
 
goodolesooner said:
Had it not been for Super Blake to coming in and saving the day, I doubt there'd be any real success since KS has left.

So yes, KS messed **** up.
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Timeline
KS left mess
Capel inherited a mess
Capel got Blake
Blake cleans mess
KS mess gone
Capel makes his own mess by not recruiting well (character) and getting beat by the Chaminade's of the world.

One mess is not tied to another mess. Please get real. If you're blaming Sampson still, you really need to quit drinking.
 
If Kelvin did nothing more than stand toe to toe with Eddie Sutton and OSU during one of OSU's most successful eras of basketball it would be enough.

OSU had a lot going for them during that period and there were a lot of OSU fans and local media trying to push OSU as some great bastion of college basketball...only one problem though...they couldn't even pull away from OU to establish themselves as the best program in the state.

I loved the KS era, supported him to the end, was sad to see him go and would welcome him back in a heart beat.
 
jessegl25 said:
Timeline
KS left mess
Capel inherited a mess
Capel got Blake
Blake cleans mess
KS mess gone
Capel makes his own mess by not recruiting well (character) and getting beat by the Chaminade's of the world.

One mess is not tied to another mess. Please get real. If you're blaming Sampson still, you really need to quit drinking.
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If Blake never stepped on campus, OU would have been in the ditch from day one after KS left. 1+1=2 Dumbass.

Kelvin left this program in the ditch and Blake put a band-aid on it. That band-aid fell off and now we're bleeding again. Bad.

Capel's inability to coach, recruit, motivate, etc. hasn't helped either, but this basketball program was pimp slapped by Kelvin Sampson's dirty backhand and we have yet to recover.

Have a drink, Chauncey.
 
jessegl25 said:
One mess is not tied to another mess. Please get real. If you're blaming Sampson still, you really need to quit drinking.
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Thank you.

Its absolutely absurd to blame KS for OU's current state, when in between KS and this year's team was one of the best seasons in OU basketball history (2008-2009).

Capel got himself in this current mess. KS' prior transgressions have nothing to do with it.
 
goodolesooner said:
If Blake never stepped on campus, OU would have been in the ditch from day one after KS left. 1+1=2 Dumbass.

Kelvin left this program in the ditch and Blake put a band-aid on it. That band-aid fell off and now we're bleeding again. Bad.

Capel's inability to coach, recruit, motivate, etc. hasn't helped either, but this basketball program was pimp slapped by Kelvin Sampson's dirty backhand and we have yet to recover.

Have a drink, Chauncey.
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This level of dumb doesn't warrant a response. BUT I'll try....Capel is at the end of 5 years...the KS residue is nowhere to be found. It just isn't. Keep blaming KS if you want, but you'll be about the only one to do so. College bball has such a quick turnaround that you can't blame someone after 5 years unless there's a MAJOR NCAA probation. This is Capel's 5th recruiting class so everything lies on him. Everything.

Playing a hypothetical instance in which Blake doesn't attend OU doesn't make sense. Blake did and that can't be taken away. Blake gave Jeff the momentum to build "his" program. Jeff didn't take that chance and succeed. If Blake doesn't come to OU, Jeff wouldn't be in Norman right now in all likelihood.

So all the "bleeding" OU is experiencing is from the cuts/punctures that Capel continues to knife OU with, not KS. Somehow I think you'll find someway to disagree though. No worries, you're entitled to your opinions, no matter how doltish they are.
 
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It would take one big chalkboard to diagram how Kelvin Sampson's departure somehow is the primary cause for our current state of affairs considering everything that's happened over the past FIVE YEARS.

Think what you think about Capel, and I go back and forth myself as to whether we should get rid of him Monday, but blaming the current situation on Kelvin Sampson is wrong on every single level.
 
goodolesooner said:
If Blake never stepped on campus, OU would have been in the ditch from day one after KS left. 1+1=2 Dumbass.

Kelvin left this program in the ditch and Blake put a band-aid on it. That band-aid fell off and now we're bleeding again. Bad.

Capel's inability to coach, recruit, motivate, etc. hasn't helped either, but this basketball program was pimp slapped by Kelvin Sampson's dirty backhand and we have yet to recover.

Have a drink, Chauncey.
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Hyperbole much? I respect your opinion but I would actually take the other side and say that KS left the program in pretty good shape. NCAA tourney in 9 of the previous 10 years, top 3 Big XII finishes in 8 of the previous 10 years and a top 5 recruiting class.

The effects of the probation are greatly overstated in my opinion and even if you disagree with that assertion, certainly after the Elite 8 run in year 3 (which is an eternity in college basketball) the slate was cleaned for Capel and he's failed miserably since that point.
 
goodolesooner said:
If Blake never stepped on campus, OU would have been in the ditch from day one after KS left. 1+1=2 Dumbass.

Kelvin left this program in the ditch and Blake put a band-aid on it. That band-aid fell off and now we're bleeding again. Bad.

Capel's inability to coach, recruit, motivate, etc. hasn't helped either, but this basketball program was pimp slapped by Kelvin Sampson's dirty backhand and we have yet to recover.

Have a drink, Chauncey.
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Dude...just when I think you post something so colossally dumb that can't possibly be matched, you serve up this.

Wow. I feel like my IQ just dropped 10 points from reading it.
 
jessegl25 said:
Blake Griffin erased everything KS did. That's what I'm saying.
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Thats a good point. I am not sure he erased it but he certainly masked it for a couple of years. All I am saying is it started (the downslide) with KS. Is he "directly" responsible at this point of course not. I like what he did for OU basketball and I sometimes defend him. I also like what Switzer did for OU football and defend him also but, he started a downslide in that program. I hope it does not take as long to get Basketball back. Football had to go through John Blake and now Basketball is going through Capel.
 
gosooner2 said:
Thats a good point. I am not sure he erased it but he certainly masked it for a couple of years. All I am saying is it started (the downslide) with KS.
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Faulty logic.

You have no evidence to support that. It might have been KS leaving that started the "downslide", or it might have been Jeff Capel going aboard. We don't know.
 
Kelvin would have won with our without Blake. Why is there any question about that. He won plenty before Blake ever got out of high school.

I have been told by people close to the griffins that OU would have never seen Blake if Kelvin had stayed. Who knows. It wouldn't have mattered, as Kelvin won long before Blake came along. In addition, Kelvin would have had James, Reynolds and Mayfield.

However, I don't see the relevance of this to the Capel situation. He didn't get Reynolds, James or Mayfield and didn't have time to recruit anybody else for that year. That really put him 2 years behind.

I thought Jeff did a fine job during his first 3 years. Last year he lost the team. I blame him for that. Then to compound matters, he lost out on his top recruits for this year and had to fill in with kids that weren't ready to win. Again, I put the blame on Jeff. However, I think he has the potential to be a good coach and looks to have learned from his mistakes re recruiting.

I like the looks of Neal, Clark and Newell.

Reasonable people can differ, but I think we should give him another year.
 
gosooner2 said:
Thats a good point. I am not sure he erased it but he certainly masked it for a couple of years. All I am saying is it started (the downslide) with KS. Is he "directly" responsible at this point of course not. I like what he did for OU basketball and I sometimes defend him. I also like what Switzer did for OU football and defend him also but, he started a downslide in that program. I hope it does not take as long to get Basketball back. Football had to go through John Blake and now Basketball is going through Capel.
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I really don't see that Sampson did all that much wrong at OU. OU got screwed by the NCAA on the telephone calls. OU self reported and the NCAA said let it continue.

The calls were not that big of a deal. A kid would answer and say coach call me back later. OU did not count the calls. Sampson was wrong to make that decision. Sampson was foolish to be so self rightous with the NCAA. Sampson was beyond foolish to get in trouble at Indiana. But the Indiana stuff has nothing to do with OU.

OU had alread done the toughest year of the probation. Sampson was brining in a great class. If OU had been a bit more supportive of Sampson (Boren and Joe C were reportedly pissed), perhaps Sampson stays. If Joe C. had not released the recruiting class so quickly perhaps things are different. I don't excuse Sampson's violations but I also don't think he ruined the program.

Had he stayed things would be fine. Had he stayed and landed Blake Griffin, OU might have a national championship in basketball.
 
If Sampson had stayed he would have had S Reynolds & D James two 4yr high level players, Sampson would have kept plugging along at 25 wins a season to this very day. Sampson the problem???
 
cowboysooner said:
He didn't get Reynolds, James or Mayfield and didn't have time to recruit anybody else for that year. That really put him 2 years behind.
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This should have given us doubts from the beginning of the Capel era. Usually that's a fairly easy "get"--and especially for someone seen as a "hip, young" recruiter like Capel. Yeah, I'm sure there is "inside" info that explains this away, but only Blake (and a decent supporting cast) saved Capel from further damage from his recruiting fallout #1. Recruiting fallout #2 was the Tentative Three, so Capel dug his own grave on this one.
 
Crimson King said:
This should have given us doubts from the beginning of the Capel era.
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I disagree, because Reynolds and James committed to OU only because of their relationship with KS.

Had Reynolds and James committed because of the OU school and/or program, then I would agree with you on the notion that them abandoning their commitment should be a sign against Capel. But there was nothing Capel could have done about that, and that was beyond his control.
 
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