I don't care what people say about Kelvin Sampson

[goodolesooner]

I did thanks. Hence my post.

Good.. sorry for what I said.

 

[sooner8]

There is only one thing about this post"KS is no longer the coach at OU"let the past RIP..Go Sooners!!!!!!!!

 

[Sooner04]

Whatever. Sampson's last few years were f'n horrible. Isolation basketball with average at best talent. It was like nails on a chalkboard. .

I kinda liked winning the conference in 2005.

 

[goodolesooner]

I kinda liked winning the conference in 2005.

And what a tough conference that was.

 

[stoops4pres]

He did well here when he had fire, but that fire burned out.

Because earning a 3 seed and winning the Big 12 conference is considered "burning out"?

Since that was one of the best seasons in KS' career, are you implying that there were only a few seasons in which he wasn't burned out? Surely you would disagree with that wouldn't you? So how do you possibly think he was "burned out" if he had one of his best seasons ever the year before he left?

I'm not talking about seeds, or tourney appearances. I'm talking about the product on the court.

Aren't seeds and tournament appearances important factors to measure the product on the court?

You say underachieved. EXACTLY! Sampson did well here, but it was time for him to go when he left.

Sampson did slightly underachieve his last season (OU was expected to be one of the elite teams), but that doesn't prove any point you are trying to make. Every coach--even the greatest of all-time--has a season at one point in their career or another in which their team underachieves. It happens everywhere.

No real decent shooters other than Neal

Lawrence McKenzie shot around 43-44% from behind the arc during KS' penultimate season. So that's not decent shooting?

his final few teams were average at best

Sampson's last few years were f'n horrible.

So winning the Big 12 is average at best? Earning a respectable 6 seed is "f'n horrible"? Give me a break.

know basketball more than you think.

Not implying that you don't know basketball much in general. I just think you're way off on this particular subject.

 

[goodolesooner]

Because earning a 3 seed and winning the Big 12 conference is considered "burning out"?

Since that was one of the best seasons in KS' career, are you implying that there were only a few seasons in which he wasn't burned out? Surely you would disagree with that wouldn't you? So how do you possibly think he was "burned out" if he had one of his best seasons ever the year before he left?



Aren't seeds and tournament appearances important factors to measure the product on the court?



Sampson did slightly underachieve his last season (OU was expected to be one of the elite teams), but that doesn't prove any point you are trying to make. Every coach--even the greatest of all-time--has a season at one point in their career or another in which their team underachieves. It happens everywhere.



Lawrence McKenzie shot around 43-44% from behind the arc during KS' penultimate season. So that's not decent shooting?





So winning the Big 12 is average at best? Earning a respectable 6 seed is "f'n horrible"? Give me a break.



Not implying that you don't know basketball much in general. I just think you're way off on this particular subject.

It's a good thing the conference was awful for his final few seasons or those teams would've gotten smashed.

Hey, let's spread out and let little 5 foot nothing Drew Lavender penetrate the paint and do absolutely nothing once he gets there.

 

[stoops4pres]

It's a good thing the conference was awful for his final few seasons or those teams would've gotten smashed.

The Big 12 was ranked 3rd best conference behind the ACC and Big East the year OU won the conference.

I wouldn't be shocked to see the conference ranked worse this season when its all said and done.

 

[playmakr]

It's a good thing the conference was awful for his final few seasons or those teams would've gotten smashed.

Hey, let's spread out and let little 5 foot nothing Drew Lavender penetrate the paint and do absolutely nothing once he gets there.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtJacdvlql4[/ame]

 

[bgrch1350]

1.Bogut
2. Pearl and UW-Milwaukee was just the best team that day.

Your right...Wis-Mil. I knew that.
2nd they had Bogut but thats all they had. We had Taj and Bookout and even Longar off the bench.
3rd, I don't care who was coaching them...We should have won no matter what day it was.

 

[bgrch1350]

We didn't lose to Western Kentucky.

And that Utah team had the #1 NBA draft pick on it.

Losing early in the Dance doesn't mean your regular season record was misleading. It simply means you lost a game.

Wis Mil...my bad

Bogut was good...but I rather have Bookout and Gray then just Bogut.

 

[goodolesooner]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtJacdvlql4

Good game and all, but do you not see what I'm talking about in that video? No rotation in the offense. Nothing but forced shots. Isolation basketball. Sloppy.

I'll give you this, KS's teams got by with tough as nails defense and 100% effort on the floor.

 

[playmakr]

Good game and all, but do you not see what I'm talking about in that video? No rotation in the offense. Nothing but forced shots. Isolation basketball. Sloppy.

I'll give you this, KS's teams got by with tough as nails defense and 100% effort on the floor.

Oh, I was just posting a video that eliminated your strange comment about Drew Lavender (a very good college player) from the discussion. I'll let the rest of you now continue the debate.

 

[WTSooner]

We should have won no matter what day it was.

Agreed.

And KU shouldn't have lost to Bucknell, Bradley, and Northern Iowa.

But they did.

 

[campbest]

eh, March is all about match ups...you never know who you're going to have to play. Especially in a second game of the weekend scenario, very little prep time, some teams just run into a squad which can expose their weaknesses (and every team has one). In a one game scenario, anything can happen and all prior results from the season don't matter.

I wasn't enamored with Sampson's style of play (prefer an uptempo, motion offense) but Sampson did very well within his style. This is important, especially now, because Sampson had something he could hang his hat on every year...almost the opposite with the current program.

 

[bgrch1350]

Agreed.

And KU shouldn't have lost to Bucknell, Bradley, and Northern Iowa.

But they did.

Exactly, they shouldn't have. Losing to Bucknell...with Simien, Miles, Giddens, and Langford

Losing to Bradley is understandable. They were an extremely young team.

Losing to N. Iowa is another one that shouldn't happen.

 

[NickZepp]

Wis Mil...my bad

Bogut was good...but I rather have Bookout and Gray then just Bogut.

Utah also had a couple really good guards. One that could shoot lights out another that could penetrate. If I remember right they shot out of their minds in that game and we still only lost by 9 or 11. They shot so good they made the fire alarm go off.

 

[bgrch1350]

Utah also had a couple really good guards. One that could shoot lights out another that could penetrate. If I remember right they shot out of their minds in that game and we still only lost by 9 or 11. They shot so good they made the fire alarm go off.

I understand losing to Utah...but Wis-Mil...NO!!!

 

[goodolesooner]

Oh, I was just posting a video that eliminated your strange comment about Drew Lavender (a very good college player) from the discussion. I'll let the rest of you now continue the debate.

Oh no man I didn't mean to say Lavender sucked. I just didn't think we were able to maximize his ability. Lavender was a hell of a college ball player.

 

[NickZepp]

I understand losing to Utah...but Wis-Mil...NO!!!

I don't think I disagree that much. Wis Mil was experienced and we basically died down the stretch that year. If I remember the end of that year right we won like 4 straight games by a point then lost in the Big 12 Tournament to Nebraska or someone like that.

 

[Tony]

We shouldn't have lost to UW-Milwaukee but anyone who watched that team down the stretch could see it coming a million miles away. That was the team that eeked out 3 straight one-point home wins before getting blown out in Austin and losting to Nebbish in the tournament. That was the first team I really thought Kelvin lost.

People forget that UW-Milwaukee made the Sweet 16 the year before that, though. They were good under Pearl.