I love her, but I'm getting a bit tired

[DarthSooner]

Patience, young padawan. Kay Kay didn't play much to begin last year either,and was starting for us by tourney time.

To continue Star Wars references, Sherri turned to the dark side (or at least the Bob Stoops side) when it was mentioned aaaagain that she only played 6 a lot and a few not so much blah blah. The postgame press conference ended less than a minute after that question, heh.

Do I have you curious now? Start the video link (the smaller one, not the highlight on at the top of the page) at about 3:15:
http://www.soonersports.com/sports/w-baskbl/recaps/010913aaa.html

Sherri's response made Jo and Morgan smile. They know better than to touch that topic

Badger leave the force to those who have complete control over it. That said your comments are correct. You may yet be of some use to me.

 

[threepointshooter]

if thats lighting it up, you must think morgan,sharane, aaryn, and jo are liquid fire. The game at that level is more her speed.

Sarcasm. Notice her best game was against Central Methodist JV.

She appears to be an average player at the Division II level of junior college basketball.

 

[Oliver Hardy]

I have always been happy that Jo is on the team and think she is a warrior who took the time necessary to get her groove back after a tough, tough injury.

Nicole is playing better than I thought she would this year although she is far from dominant at her position.

My post has nothing to do with how Sherri has managed the players and rotations since all of the injuries. She's done a darn fine job. But, when you've only got 8 real players, it isn't that hard.

I also haven't been talking about development of player talent. That is a tangent of what my original point/post that could be discussed.

I am talking about Sherri's propensity to recruit second or third level players who take up a ship and never do anything except add a body in practice.

I've seen this happen repeatedly at some level over the years.

As I also noted in my OP, I understand perfectly that not every player is going to start, be the first two off the bench, etc. There are also going to be girls that can't quite make the jump.

To me we just seem to be getting more of them the last three or four years than we need and I think it's a waste of a scholly.

And I think, in fact, that Sherri's recruiting is about as hit or miss as I've ever seen any coaches be. That's where SHE needs to be a lot more consistent.

Fire away, boys. I've been cleared by all doctors to engage in verbal warfare.

 

[BanjoCharley]

We are not wasting schollies when we have empty schollies. All that not signing your "second or third level" player would do is create another empty scholly. It might be a waste if we were full but it isn't when we have empties. Your concern should be on those empties first, get up to fifteen and then complain about the quality of the lower three players on the roster.

 

[tycat947]

Maybe I am missing something here. We are saying that OU should not recruit a girl like Durrett because she doesn't play a bunch of minutes. All I can say is wow. I have been saying that Sherri needs to recruit more players and they don't all have to be superstars or get a lot of minutes to deal with situations like this year with the injuries. Playing time is earned and the coaches should play those who give them the best chance at victory. This means that somebody is going to be on the bench.

Personally, I hope I don't jinx things but Sherri has done a wonderful job so far of managing the team after the injuries. The Texas game was masterful with McFarland and Griffin getting into foul trouble immediately. You can't argue with wins when you have no depth at all.

+2

 

[35TangoTango]

Fire away, boys. I've been cleared by all doctors to engage in verbal warfare.

No warfare, just a little quibbling.

First, (looking at your original post), I can't see linking "Jeffcoat, Zander, Durrett, Cloman" together as a common failure. They are 4 vastly different situations. Jeffcoat was a superb physical talent that just didn't have the desire to work and compete at the level it takes to succeed here. So there, we guessed right on physical talent, but didn't discern the lack of will (and maybe we were trying to recruit her brother, also.). Zander looked like a great prospect; a 6'4" player that had an outside shot. She had the desire and the work ethic along with the body, just apparently really lacking in ability. Cloman saddled by injuries that kept us from ever finding out what she could do. As for Durrett, it's far too early to write her off as a failure. She came in with physical ability, but no knowledge or experience with the type of basketball required for D-1. I can think of a lot of Jucos on our team and others (Danielle Adams) who were less than impressive as juniors and lights out their Senior year.

The truth is that under the present rules, the coaches get very little time to really evaluate players. I think this is making for more wrong guesses all around. I do notice that there are proposals for next year to actually increase the time coaches get to look at and evaluate players.

My other quibble is with your language: (girls) "that she is never going to let see the floor for significant minutes." That makes it sound like Sherri knows when she recruits them they will never play. Also the word "let" makes it sound like who gets playing time and who doesn't is an arbitrary decision, not based on performance in practice. Surely you didn't mean to imply either of those things.

 

[SoonerNorm]

If you watch the rankings on the recruits PLUS, look at who is recruiting those players and it will give you a pretty good (not perfect) indication of who the best prospects are.

 

[35TangoTango]

If you watch the rankings on the recruits PLUS, look at who is recruiting those players and it will give you a pretty good (not perfect) indication of who the best prospects are.

That's true, but I don't think the problem Oliver is talking about is identifying the best prospects - it's correctly identifying the next level down players to fill your roster.

 

[SoonerNorm]

That's true, but I don't think the problem Oliver is talking about is identifying the best prospects - it's correctly identifying the next level down players to fill your roster.

I would like to think that Sherri recruits every player with the same thought in mind...that every one would compete for a starting job. The best five get the starting jobs and the others provide quality depth.

 

[35TangoTango]

I would like to think that Sherri recruits every player with the same thought in mind...that every one would compete for a starting job. The best five get the starting jobs and the others provide quality depth.

Again, an obviously true generalization, but what is the relevance to Oliver's original post?

 

[SoonerinNC]

Actually none of them are stiffs.

Jeffcoat had the ability to play just didn't want to pay the price. As I recall she was ranked pretty high on recruiting boards.

Cloman had some good minutes when healthy. Solid on the boards and some touch away from the hoop.

Durrett will be a solid player next year if not later this year. She has had some good games, is a solid rebounder and has hit like 4 treys.

Zander was a good athlete who was a natural inside player who had to play the 3 last year. I thought she moved pretty well. By her senior year she would have put in some solid minutes. She probably would have been seeing the floor this year had she not wanted to go home.

Actually Kornet is having the roughest time now but has a lot of potential.

 

[tycat947]

Actually none of them are stiffs.

Jeffcoat had the ability to play just didn't want to pay the price. As I recall she was ranked pretty high on recruiting boards.

Cloman had some good minutes when healthy. Solid on the boards and some touch away from the hoop.

Durrett will be a solid player next year if not later this year. She has had some good games, is a solid rebounder and has hit like 4 treys.

Zander was a good athlete who was a natural inside player who had to play the 3 last year. I thought she moved pretty well. By her senior year she would have put in some solid minutes. She probably would have been seeing the floor this year had she not wanted to go home.

Actually Kornet is having the roughest time now but has a lot of potential.

:clap:clap:clap

 

[SoonerNorm]

I don't understand the comments saying Jeffcoat didn't work hard. I never heard the coaches say that.

 

[SoonerShamrock]

I don't understand the comments saying Jeffcoat didn't work hard. I never heard the coaches say that.

And in just that many words, I don't think you'll ever hear this group of coaches say that. Sometimes you have to "unlock the code."

 

[SoonerNorm]

And in just that many words, I don't think you'll ever hear this group of coaches say that. Sometimes you have to "unlock the code."

The problem with that is a lot of people (me included) jump to the wrong conclusions and start rumors which have no basis in fact.

I know that Jeffcoat worked out alone late nights at times in LNC. That doesn't sound like someone who didn't put in effort to improve.

 

[SoonerShamrock]

The problem with that is a lot of people (me included) jump to the wrong conclusions and start rumors which have no basis in fact.

I know that Jeffcoat worked out alone late nights at times in LNC. That doesn't sound like someone who didn't put in effort to improve.

Regardless of whether she or anyone else did or did not put in the required effort to improve, why would you, or anyone else, want to jump to the wrong conclusions (or, indeed, any conclusions at all) and "start rumors which have no basis in fact"?

 

[SoonerNorm]

Regardless of whether she or anyone else did or did not put in the required effort to improve, why would you, or anyone else, want to jump to the wrong conclusions (or, indeed, any conclusions at all) and "start rumors which have no basis in fact"?

I don't. If you read the above posts you will note a couple of references that Jeffcoat did not work hard. As I said, I don't know where that information comes from. Is it a fact or is it a rumor?

 

[SoonerinNC]

I think the story was that she didn't want to continue to work that hard to get to play as little as she did.

 

[35TangoTango]

I have no hard source that I care to quote, so I'll just make my own observations. Jeffcoat was athletically gifted, but even after all the time spent in the program she seemed totally clueless to what she was supposed to be doing team-wise either on offense or defense when she was in the game.

 

[SoonerNorm]

I have no hard source that I care to quote, so I'll just make my own observations. Jeffcoat was athletically gifted, but even after all the time spent in the program she seemed totally clueless to what she was supposed to be doing team-wise either on offense or defense when she was in the game.

One mistake and it was back to the bench. You have to allow young players to play through some mistakes to see what they are capable of doing.