I think we'll miss Cade a lot next year

CMSOONER said:
The players seeing the court aren't scrubs, they're just young. They'll be better next year with experience and maturity.
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Cam Clark, Stephen Pledger, and Andrew Fitzgerald aren't scrubs. The rest of 'em are scrubs.
 
soonerbms said:
Cam Clark, Stephen Pledger, and Andrew Fitzgerald aren't scrubs. The rest of 'em are scrubs.
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Calling freshmen Tyler Neal and Calvin Newell "scrubs" at this point is a bit premature dontchathink? I wonder how many were calling Fitz and Bird "scrubs" at this time last season?

I also don't think Osby or Goff will be "scrubs" next year.
 
Goff = scrub
Osby = we'll see, but I think he's the most talented guy on the roster
 
jessegl25 said:
Goff = scrub
Osby = we'll see, but I think he's the most talented guy on the roster
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Clown post to call Goff a scrub. The guy had offers from Indiana, Xavier, Cincy and ISU. He is a JUCO preseason all-american. We had been trying to get the guy for three years.

He is an excellent athlete, plus rebounder, plus shot blocker, and has solid frame on top of being every bit of 6'9.

Some of you people need to pull your heads out.
 
jessegl25 said:
It depends on what you would describe as a scrub or what you think Goff will provide. I don't think Goff will average 10 points or 10 rebounds. Probably a 7 ppg and 7 rpg kind of guy. He hasn't been setting the JUCO ranks on fire this year...http://cms.hutchcc.edu/athletics-ftp/basketballmen/2010-11 stats/Men's BKB Cumulative.html
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If we get 7 points and 7 boards per game from Goff next season then this team is going to be in very good shape.

He is more of a defensive big. He can block shots. He can beat people down the floor. He also can throw down some nasty dunks.

When is the last guy before Blake that we had that averaged anywhere close to a double/double? Plus, Hutch is stacked this year with scorers. They are a really good team and don't need Rob to provide much scoring.

If you can't see the fact that we desperately need interior defense and rebounding (not to mention shot blocking) then I can't help you.

Goff is a great get for this team and I am thrilled that he is coming here.
 
Maybe scrub just needs to be defined. 7 ppg and 7 rpg would be a boost but is this what we're coming to expect from our biggest recruits these days? I'm not bashing him trust me. He'd take me to the block and demolish me.
 
jessegl25 said:
Maybe scrub just needs to be defined. 7 ppg and 7 rpg would be a boost but is this what we're coming to expect from our biggest recruits these days? I'm not bashing him trust me. He'd take me to the block and demolish me.
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Again, he is being brought here to defend and rebound. Its not all about scoring. I would be elated if he averages 7 boards. I fully expect Osby, Pledge, Fitz and Cam to carry the scoring load.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if we see Fitz's role drop a little next year. Goffs defense/rebounding may be better and Osby's offense will likely be better.
 
jessegl25 said:
Cade leaving opens a spot for a talented, athletic player that Cade is not. It'll probably be addition by subtraction.
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Cade's the third-highest scorer on the team, just eight points behind Pledger. He has the second most rebounds on the team, just eight behind Fitz, who spends the entire game in the paint.

Cade's second on the team in steals, third in blocks, has fewer turnovers than Fitz, Pledger, and Blair, he's fouled out only twice. He's one of our best, if not the best, defenders.

I honestly cannot fathom how he has come under such criticism, even from those who insist they "appreciate his efforts, but...".

If Cade is so unathletic and easily replaced, how is it he ranks so highly in virtually every statistical category? Why isn't someone outplaying him now, if it'll be so easy to do next season?

We'd have been in HUGE trouble this season without him, of that much I'm certain. As bad as this season has been, it would have been disastrous without not only his senior leadership, heart, and hustle, but also his scoring, rebounding, and defense.

Austin Johnson was underappreciated in a similar fashion, and so, until the tail end of his career, was Johnny Gilbert. They're both remembered fondly now, but were ragged on by many fans while they were playing, in much the same fashion Davis catches grief and backhanded compliments.

Some fans just gotta have someone to rail against, I guess.
 
I'm not as confident in Capel's recruiting as some other people on here are I guess. Capel's history in recruiting hasn't been all that great. Cade might be the 3rd best player he's recruited in his tenure at OU. Even if he's not, he's not far from it.

I really don't see a big change in our guards next year. There's no way we will be NCAA Tournament ready with the guards we have. And we don't really have that many scholarships to upgrade that position by next year. Even if we get one guard that's not really enough.

I hope Capel somehow turns it around gets us an NCAA Tournament bid. But realistically I don't see us winning more than 15 games unless we schedule like OSU did this year. Play basically nobody out of conference at all. Win 10+ out of conference. Find a way to win 5 in conference. We could get enough wins to make the NIT or whatever other post season tournament is still around. But it's not likely to happen.
 
Neal, Newell, Washington, and Blair will be big parts of any success in the future. Calling them scrubs is silly. Are they as good as we want them to be now? No. Will they get there? It would be great for everyone if they did.
 
I think Neal could be a star type player if he grows. I'm not sure about his position right now. He seems like a 3/4 type guy. But he needs to grow up a lot.

Pledger basically reminds me of Cade a couple years ago. A little bit afraid to go into the paint. He shoots a lot from 3. Only makes about 30%. Probably shoots too many Threes honestly. I think having 2 guys that are basically the same player in Cade and Pledge has hurt this team at times. Maybe that's actually a positive toward next year.

The rest of the guards I'm not as high on. Blair is a decent solid point. We really don't have a point to back him up.

Newell is our backup but I would like to see him at the 2. But he looks real unpolished and is inconsistent as a point guard.

We really don't have much else at guard.
 
uberjamb said:
Neal, Newell, Washington, and Blair will be big parts of any success in the future. Calling them scrubs is silly. Are they as good as we want them to be now? No. Will they get there? It would be great for everyone if they did.
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Washington is a good defender and rebounder. He only has one more year. I would like to see him play more, but I doubt he gets anymore than 10-15 minutes next year.
 
BigTime said:
Calling freshmen Tyler Neal and Calvin Newell "scrubs" at this point is a bit premature dontchathink? I wonder how many were calling Fitz and Bird "scrubs" at this time last season?

I also don't think Osby or Goff will be "scrubs" next year.
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I agree on Osby. I think he will be a good addition.
 
jessegl25 said:
Cade leaving opens a spot for a talented, athletic player that Cade is not. It'll probably be addition by subtraction.
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Or, if you want to look at it from a more reasonable persepctive, how much better would Cade be if other roster spots were filled by talented, athletic players?

See, we all know Cade isn't a star player. But he's a damn good role player when he's allowed to be one.

I refuse to criticize Cade for trying (unsuccessfully) to be what this team needs--a go-to-guy--I won't do it.
 
colston15 said:
Or, if you want to look at it from a more reasonable persepctive, how much better would Cade be if other roster spots were filled by talented, athletic players?

See, we all know Cade isn't a star player. But he's a damn good role player when he's allowed to be one.

I refuse to criticize Cade for trying (unsuccessfully) to be what this team needs--a go-to-guy--I won't do it.
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+1

Cade has been our savior this year, for the most part (IMO). Without him, I think we lose at least 3 more games, maybe more. We wouldn't have even been in the game last night without him.

He also bailed us out a few times last year. The problem is he's not good enough to be cast into the role as a star player but that's not meant to be intended as ripping him.

If every player laid it on the line every night on both ends of the floor like Cade, this team would be much better, IMO.
 
I'm certainly not trying to rip Cade. If I had half his work ethic growing up, I would have made it past the NAIA level. My point is just that Cade doesn't do many things great, although he also doesn't do a lot of things bad either. He's just kind of a hard-nosed average player. The problem is...you need players that have more talent than Cade if you want to get to the Duke/Kansas level. Obviously talent isn't the only factor, see last year's talented but no work ethic club. I'd contend you need both talent and work ethic (obviously). Cade would be awesome as a 4th-6th option for a team with talent. My memory is kind of fuzzy, but I'd say his role should have been closer to Tim Heskett circa 98-99 not that of the team's go-to-guy.
 
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