Is Hield the best young guard since Hollis Price?

[Stikboy]

Lol

 

[AdaSooner]

Who's the most recent person to make it to the Elite 8 in the NCAA tournament, Kruger or WW? Answer: Willie Warren.

Who's won more games in the NCAA tournament since 2008? Again, Willie Warren.

If Kruger doesn't want a guy to recruit a player that is better than every player on his team...thats up to him.

You got us there, einstein! :ez-laugh:

Here's one for you: Who was the last (and only) coach at OU to have a losing season with three McDonald's All-Americans on the roster? If you don't know the answer, I'll be happy to give you a hint.

 

[TheGimper]

You got us there, einstein! :ez-laugh:

Here's one for you: Who was the last (and only) coach at OU to have a losing season with three McDonald's All-Americans on the roster? If you don't know the answer, I'll be happy to give you a hint.

Correlation does not equal causation.

 

[WTSooner]

Correlation does not equal causation.

But trying to attribute all those wins to WW is okay?

lol

 

[SoonerMatt27]

Calipari has demonstrated he can handle the bad characters. Capel could not handle it.

So you think the root of WW's problem is Capel not his character. Had WW gone to Kentucky he'd probably still be in the NBA right now. I'm not saying he's not to blame for his attitude, but my primary point was big time programs will take a risk on recruits despite their personality flaws.

 

[jerry]

So you think the root of WW's problem is Capel not his character. Had WW gone to Kentucky he'd probably still be in the NBA right now. I'm not saying he's not to blame for his attitude, but my primary point was big time programs will take a risk on recruits despite their personality flaws.

Actually I'm the one that said it was character in an earlier thread. No doubt he was talented. If he had played for a better coach who knows. But coming out of high school allot of programs backed off. I believe he is playing in Israel now.

 

[skyvue]

:clap

WW, TMG, Tiny, and 90% of the other JC recruits had issues. That's why most of them didn't stick. Tiny probably had the least issues, but we paid him to come here.

That's not how I remember it. There was a loan to allow him to get his transcript, but it was paid back and it was not remotely a large enough amount to qualify as "paying him to come here." The loan was against the rules and I'm not excusing it, but it wasn't as bad as you portrayed it.

 

[Big Old Booger]

That's not how I remember it. There was a loan to allow him to get his transcript, but it was paid back and it was not remotely a large enough amount to qualify as "paying him to come here." The loan was against the rules and I'm not excusing it, but it wasn't as bad as you portrayed it.

Probably not, but it did result in us going on probation. The question is, had our coaching staff not helped him get the loan, would he have come here? I choose to think the answer is no, which, to me, essentially means we bought (or paid) him.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Who's the most recent person to make it to the Elite 8 in the NCAA tournament, Kruger or WW? Answer: Willie Warren.

Who's won more games in the NCAA tournament since 2008? Again, Willie Warren.

If Kruger doesn't want a guy to recruit a player that is better than every player on his team...thats up to him.

Clown post, but considering the poster I can't say I'm not surprised.

Lon Kruger is about to (if not this year then next) become the only coach in NCAA history to take 5 different programs to the NCAA tourney, and I think it could be argued that UT Pan-Am deserved it in 1985-86 which would be 6 programs. That's unprecedented. And, guess what, he's done it with big stars (Mitch Richmond) and no names. He doesn't need a cancer like WW to play for him to win.

I will also remind you WW lost more games his soph year playing alongside 2 other MCD AA's than Kruger did last year with no MCD AA's. :ez-laugh:

 

[vbdad]

Willie was a grown man before he ever enteered college so he was advanced for a freshman. He was a bad dude and no Lon Kruger wouldn't have recruited him. Nor did many of the basketball schools who usually take the one and done types. Calipairi certainly isn't a saint but he has been successful with ones that aren't complete idiots. He also gets rid of the ones who don't work hard.
Time will tell who ends up being better in the long run. I know which one will be invited back for Sooner functions.

 

[Cleavon Little]

I suspect Capel promised game minutes in recruiting which started the dominoes to falling once adversity hit. Kruger starts those who deserve it in practice, which probably wouldn't have brought in the troubled burger boys, but is helping build a team like the ones we are used to seeing at OU.

 

[bgrch1350]

Clown post, but considering the poster I can't say I'm not surprised.

Lon Kruger is about to (if not this year then next) become the only coach in NCAA history to take 5 different programs to the NCAA tourney, and I think it could be argued that UT Pan-Am deserved it in 1985-86 which would be 6 programs. That's unprecedented. And, guess what, he's done it with big stars (Mitch Richmond) and no names. He doesn't need a cancer like WW to play for him to win.

I will also remind you WW lost more games his soph year playing alongside 2 other MCD AA's than Kruger did last year with no MCD AA's. :ez-laugh:

Actually Willie Warren was 11-10 his sophmore year....thats the games he played in. Kruger was 15-16

 

[bgrch1350]

You got us there, einstein! :ez-laugh:

Here's one for you: Who was the last (and only) coach at OU to have a losing season with three McDonald's All-Americans on the roster? If you don't know the answer, I'll be happy to give you a hint.

That exact Same year...UNC(Roy Williams) had 7 McD AAs and they finished the regular season 16-16.

UCONN had Kemba Walker that year and they went 18-16

 

[AdaSooner]

That exact Same year...UNC(Roy Williams) had 7 McD AAs and they finished the regular season 16-16.

You're the one who continues to say that Kruger doesn't want to, or can't, recruit top flight players to OU, none of which is true. I simply pointed out that your favorite coach was highly success in bringing in Mickey D recruits, none of it worth very much when the chemistry was so bad, having three burger boys on the roster wasn't enough to carry the team to a winnng season.

My point is that there is more to recruiting than signing players with the most stars by their names. Heck, I'm all for bringing in top 50 players. I wish we had a nationally ranked player at every position, with a few left over as back ups.

That's not easy at a football school. OU coaches have never had the luxury of getting practically any player they wanted like Duke, UNC, KU and others I could name. Capel tried, and it didn't work out too well. One of the four (Blake) he brought in was a super star. The rest had issues. WW could have been a star, and was, when BG was still around. That all changed when he was teamed with two of the biggest trouble makers our program has ever seen. Things were so bad, on and off of the court, even a great player like Willie couldn't turn the tide on what was to become our first losing season in two to three decades. You know the story from there.

I don't get what Willie's success, or lack thereof, has to do with Kruger? No one is saying that we wouldn't love to see a player like WW come to OU. If someone did, that's stupid. If the player is a good fit, as well as a good person, by all means sign him up. But if signing a high-profile recruit means we'll see a repeat of what we went through three years ago? No thanks! I'll take good players who want to be at OU, and who are also quality young men with a head on their shoulders and not think twice about it.

 

[Max Power]

You're the one who continues to say that Kruger doesn't want to, or can't, recruit top flight players to OU, none of which is true. I simply pointed out that your favorite coach was highly success in bringing in Mickey D recruits, none of it worth very much when the chemistry was so bad, having three burger boys on the roster wasn't enough to carry the team to a winnng season.

My point is that there is more to recruiting than signing players with the most stars by their names. Heck, I'm all for bringing in top 50 players. I wish we had a nationally ranked player at every position, with a few left over as back ups.

That's not easy at a football school. OU coaches have never had the luxury of getting practically any player they wanted like Duke, UNC, KU and others I could name. Capel tried, and it didn't work out too well. One of the four (Blake) he brought in was a super star. The rest had issues. WW could have been a star, and was, when BG was still around. That all changed when he was teamed with two of the biggest trouble makers our program has ever seen. Things were so bad, on and off of the court, even a great player like Willie couldn't turn the tide on what was to become our first losing season in two to three decades. You know the story from there.

I don't get what Willie's success, or lack thereof, has to do with Kruger? No one is saying that we wouldn't love to see a player like WW come to OU. If someone did, that's stupid. If the player is a good fit, as well as a good person, by all means sign him up. But if signing a high-profile recruit means we'll see a repeat of what we went through three years ago? No thanks! I'll take good players who want to be at OU, and who are also quality young men with a head on their shoulders and not think twice about it.

We won a lot of games with these type players

 

[AdaSooner]

We won a lot of games with these type players

Absolutely true!

More power to the elite basketball schools that seem to reload every year. I would love to be in that position someday. But the realist in me says that we may not have any choice but to be happy with good players like those on this year's team, and continue to wish for the occasional difference-maker who has more than a passing interest in coming to OU. Maybe Julius will be the player we're hoping for.

 

[bgrch1350]

You're the one who continues to say that Kruger doesn't want to, or can't, recruit top flight players to OU, none of which is true. I simply pointed out that your favorite coach was highly success in bringing in Mickey D recruits, none of it worth very much when the chemistry was so bad, having three burger boys on the roster wasn't enough to carry the team to a winnng season.

My point is that there is more to recruiting than signing players with the most stars by their names. Heck, I'm all for bringing in top 50 players. I wish we had a nationally ranked player at every position, with a few left over as back ups.

That's not easy at a football school. OU coaches have never had the luxury of getting practically any player they wanted like Duke, UNC, KU and others I could name. Capel tried, and it didn't work out too well. One of the four (Blake) he brought in was a super star. The rest had issues. WW could have been a star, and was, when BG was still around. That all changed when he was teamed with two of the biggest trouble makers our program has ever seen. Things were so bad, on and off of the court, even a great player like Willie couldn't turn the tide on what was to become our first losing season in two to three decades. You know the story from there.

I don't get what Willie's success, or lack thereof, has to do with Kruger? No one is saying that we wouldn't love to see a player like WW come to OU. If someone did, that's stupid. If the player is a good fit, as well as a good person, by all means sign him up. But if signing a high-profile recruit means we'll see a repeat of what we went through three years ago? No thanks! I'll take good players who want to be at OU, and who are also quality young men with a head on their shoulders and not think twice about it.

The thing is...If Roy Williams had 7 McD AAs on his roster and didn't make the tournament, the exact same year that OU had 3...I'm suppose to say Capel sucked When the Previous year, when Capel had 2 and Roy had close to 7...they both met in the Elite 8. And Roy's McD AA's the following year had Zeller, Henson, Davis and others.

I don't think Capel was some great Coach...but I'm not going to judge him because he had 3 McD AAs(One was hurt most of the season) and had a bad year...When Roy Williams had 7 and didn't make the tournament and had a pretty bad year as well.