Is keeping Lon worth Harmon?

What does depth have to do with my comment? We had depth a few years back.

Lon's career is full of ups and downs. And not the normal kind. BIG swings. Constant roster turnover. No continuity over 2/3/4 year periods.

I have no doubt if Lon sticks around he'll have better years. I also have no doubt if he sticks around we'll have some more pitiful ones.

I'd be curious if you could give many examples of teams who don't have lots of roster turnover at the Power 5 level. The blue chip teams lose guys to the pros, other schools lose them to transfers. We probably have more guys stay three or four years than most programs these days. ISU is transfer U, Texas always has new guys, Tech has a new team this year, OSU speaks for itself. KSU has a great senior class, but they are the one exception I see in our league.

I also wonder ... do all the people who cry nepotism about Lon hiring his son have the same complaint about Kelvin and Kellen? Or is that one of those flexible principles that only gets brought up when things are going south? Something tells me people aren't complaining about it as it applies to the softball program.

And I'm pretty bummed to already find out that next year's class isn't going to pan out. At least give people a heads up that a spoiler alert is coming! :)
 
I also wonder ... do all the people who cry nepotism about Lon hiring his son have the same complaint about Kelvin and Kellen? Or is that one of those flexible principles that only gets brought up when things are going south? Something tells me people aren't complaining about it as it applies to the softball program.

Not sure why this part of your comment was put in a post that quoted mine. I've never really criticized any of the OU coaches for nepotism. Because if you are going to bash Lon and Sherri for it now, you also have to bash Bob for it in 1999 (worked out well for several years then) and Gasso (TONS of success). I don't think it's that big of a deal. Coaches tend to want to work with people they know. None of them are going to sabotage their careers or contracts just to employ a family member that could be otherwise employed. Doesn't mean it's always going to work out, but it happens around the country. But again, I don't think I've ever made a single comment criticizing an OU coach for hiring a family member.
 
I'd be curious if you could give many examples of teams who don't have lots of roster turnover at the Power 5 level. The blue chip teams lose guys to the pros, other schools lose them to transfers. We probably have more guys stay three or four years than most programs these days. ISU is transfer U, Texas always has new guys, Tech has a new team this year, OSU speaks for itself. KSU has a great senior class, but they are the one exception I see in our league.

I also wonder ... do all the people who cry nepotism about Lon hiring his son have the same complaint about Kelvin and Kellen? Or is that one of those flexible principles that only gets brought up when things are going south? Something tells me people aren't complaining about it as it applies to the softball program.

And I'm pretty bummed to already find out that next year's class isn't going to pan out. At least give people a heads up that a spoiler alert is coming! :)


It's really not that hard to realize why nepotism is bad. It has nothing to do with whether or not a coach's kid can be a good coach as well. Clearly they can be. The problem is that if they aren't doing a good job their family member is not going to fire them. That has always been the problem.

Have you ever considered not just being a ridiculous contrarian?
 
What does depth have to do with my comment? We had depth a few years back.

Lon's career is full of ups and downs. And not the normal kind. BIG swings. Constant roster turnover. No continuity over 2/3/4 year periods.

I have no doubt if Lon sticks around he'll have better years. I also have no doubt if he sticks around we'll have some more pitiful ones.

Not sure why this part of your comment was put in a post that quoted mine. I've never really criticized any of the OU coaches for nepotism. Because if you are going to bash Lon and Sherri for it now, you also have to bash Bob for it in 1999 (worked out well for several years then) and Gasso (TONS of success). I don't think it's that big of a deal. Coaches tend to want to work with people they know. None of them are going to sabotage their careers or contracts just to employ a family member that could be otherwise employed. Doesn't mean it's always going to work out, but it happens around the country. But again, I don't think I've ever made a single comment criticizing an OU coach for hiring a family member.

Yeah I didn't mean to single you out for that, my fault for not making that clear. It just seems in general, there are a lot of people on here who constantly bring that issue up, yet on the other hand, speak so highly of Kelvin while not acknowledging that he did the same thing with his son. But again, I apologize for making it seem like this was related to your post, I was just trying to put multiple thoughts in one post rather than posting several times.
 
It's really not that hard to realize why nepotism is bad. It has nothing to do with whether or not a coach's kid can be a good coach as well. Clearly they can be. The problem is that if they aren't doing a good job their family member is not going to fire them. That has always been the problem.

Have you ever considered not just being a ridiculous contrarian?

Two questions for you. One, how do you function given your obsession with me? You simply can't handle it if I have a different opinion than you, even if my post isn't at all related to anything you've said. My post had nothing to do with you and yet you had to take a personal shot at me.

Second, in your every day life, are you incapable of functioning unless everyone you encounter has the exact viewpoint you have? The fact that you think I'm a contrarian is hysterical to me. I don't care enough about what you think to adjust my thoughts accordingly. My parents tought me to think for myself at a young age. If those thoughs happen to match others, fine. If not, fine too. If you ever say something that I agree with, I'll be sure to let you know so you can sleep better at night. Unfortunately, this board lately has become so irrationally anti-Kruger that anyone who isn't calling for his head is treated like a pariah.
 
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