Jeran Grant leaving ND due to academics issue - transfer??

[atlantasooner]

Do you think that Lon would offer him a transfer spot.
Harvey's kid so there's an OU connection.

 

[Max Power]

Do you think that Lon would offer him a transfer spot.
Harvey's kid so there's an OU connection.

Can't imagine we would take on a kid with academic issues after the last two years of those burning us with JUCOs

 

[garyeb2]

The team had 3.0 gpa as a group. I think that Lon was pretty proud of that. He probably wouldn't want to have anyone drag that down too much.

 

[StatGeek]

Do you think that Lon would offer him a transfer spot.
Harvey's kid so there's an OU connection.

Only one year of eligibility left at a position we don't need a lot of help with, but it would be cool if it happened.

 

[BCSooners]

I think ND academic issues are different then most universities academic standards.

 

[atlantasooner]

Probably a bad idea just thought that I'd float it out there.

 

[skyvue]

I think ND academic issues are different then most universities academic standards.

So they'd have us believe. But it's funny how news of Grant's issues came out late Saturday/early Sunday following a big game with Ohio State. If he's ineligible on Sunday, how was it he was eligible on Saturday?

 

[SilliSooner]

I'd think he'd be financially situated well enough to walk-on, get his academic issues in order, and try for a scholarship.

How well was he doing at ND? How close a player is he to his dad?
Never mind. I see 19 ppg, 51 % shooting, 41 % from 3s. PG and SG.
Yeah, if he wanted to transfer and play in the top rated conference, I'd take him.

Consider it a long overdue trade for Ryan Humphries.

 

[Sawyer]

So they'd have us believe. But it's funny how news of Grant's issues came out late Saturday/early Sunday following a big game with Ohio State. If he's ineligible on Sunday, how was it he was eligible on Saturday?

The semester just ended at Notre Dame (last finals were Dec. 20). It actually is plausible (official grades were due today, Dec. 23).

Anyone know if he actually has eligibility left? He's listed as a senior, but he didn't play as a freshman. Odd that he'd sit out his entire freshman year but they wouldn't count it as a redshirt. This is his fourth year in school, so he should have one year left on his five-year clock.

Best case is he has a semester to play (he'd sit out the next year, then be eligible in December 2014). That's probably not worth it for either him or for the school. I expect him to go pro.

 

[campbest]

So they'd have us believe. But it's funny how news of Grant's issues came out late Saturday/early Sunday following a big game with Ohio State. If he's ineligible on Sunday, how was it he was eligible on Saturday?

Can't be ineligible until grades are due. PJ Tucker had a similar issue when he was at Texas, played a game when everyone at the school knew he would be off the team a few days later.

 

[DenverSooner]

Can't be ineligible until grades are due. PJ Tucker had a similar issue when he was at Texas, played a game when everyone at the school knew he would be off the team a few days later.

I think you are missing his point. If academics are so important at ND and they knew he wasn't making his grades, wouldn't they choose to suspend him before the NCAA does?

 

[skyvue]

Can't be ineligible until grades are due. PJ Tucker had a similar issue when he was at Texas, played a game when everyone at the school knew he would be off the team a few days later.

I get that, but grades weren't due till today -- and yet the announcement was made yesterday. So if they knew in advance (and they clearly did) that he hadn't fulfilled his academic obligations, it would have been refreshing, at the very least, to see them sit him on Saturday.

I'm not naive. I fully understand that most programs wouldn't take such a principled stand on an issue like this, but it'd be nice to see a coach or two do it. And given Notre Dame's oft-noted holier-than-thou attitude, it would have been especially fitting for them to do it.

 

[skyvue]

Denver made my point much more succinctly than I did.

I'll go so far as to say that if we're ever in a similar boat, I hope that Coach Kruger (or whoever is at the helm when it comes up) does sit the player. Using loopholes to get one more game out of a player who hasn't taken care of business academically leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

 

[Sawyer]

Denver made my point much more succinctly than I did.

I'll go so far as to say that if we're ever in a similar boat, I hope that Coach Kruger (or whoever is at the helm when it comes up) does sit the player. Using loopholes to get one more game out of a player who hasn't taken care of business academically leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

It's not like they're suspending him for a few games. He's off the team. One extra game now isn't going to help them much when they get throttled through the rest of the season without him.

There are plenty of plausible scenarios in which they know he's on the verge of ineligibility but don't find out until after their game Saturday. The way things are phrased in their official release, it sounds to me like this could be related to one specific thing and wasn't just poor grades in general.

This isn't an NCAA thing. This was Notre Dame's decision.

 

[skyvue]

It's not like they're suspending him for a few games. He's off the team. One extra game now isn't going to help them much when they get throttled through the rest of the season without him.

There are plenty of plausible scenarios in which they know he's on the verge of ineligibility but don't find out until after their game Saturday. The way things are phrased in their official release, it sounds to me like this could be related to one specific thing and wasn't just poor grades in general.

This isn't an NCAA thing. This was Notre Dame's decision.

It's possible that they found out after Saturday's game, yes. But I consider it more likely they knew in advance. And saying it doesn't help them in the second half of the season means nothing -- they were playing a highly ranked team and it would have been a big boost for them to win the game. That's why he played, let's face it.

The fact that it was Notre Dame's decision doesn't change my stance about the matter; it supports it. They had a chance to make a statement about academic accountability in collegiate athletics, and they passed (assuming my suspicions about what they knew, and when, are correct).

 

[Sawyer]

Eh. They're still doing more to hold him accountable than most other schools would.

 

[skyvue]

Eh. They're still doing more to hold him accountable than most other schools would.

Given that we don't have any idea what Grant did to become ineligible, we can't know what the school has done to hold him accountable (or what other schools might have done in the same situation). You seem to be assuming that some secret rule that only ND has the integrity and high moral standing to enforce is at play here, but there's no evidence whatsoever of that.

The coach has declined to specify when it was that he learned that Grant was ineligible, which strongly suggests to me that he knew in advance. If he found out after the Ohio State game, why wouldn't he say so? It would make him look better.