Maybe Kellen would coach us

[coolm]

actually I'd like to see UNC Asheville's Nick McDevitt

hire him a couple of good assistants with HC experience like OSU always seems to do.

let him sell recruits on a new regime.

our momentum is going the wrong way.

 

[califca]

If you want to do that than hire Drew Henson.

 

[chuckb]

What's Ace McGhee doing right now? Maybe he's got some free time.

 

[stormspencer]

If you want to do that than hire Drew Henson.

Seriously my friend.....McDevitt looks to be a helluva coach. Google him.

 

[Matthew G]

So get rid of a HOF coach in Kruger for an unproven young guy from a low end school, and pray he magically works.


I'm good. I'll stick with having the HOF coach OU basketball. But hey, at least OU fans are showing how "great" of a basketball program we are by saying we should hire coaches from low end schools. That shows where the program truly is.

 

[coolm]

I'm good. I'll stick with having the HOF coach OU basketball. But hey, at least OU fans are showing how "great" of a basketball program we are by saying we should hire coaches from low end schools. That shows where the program truly is.

Kelvin came from montana didnt he? Dude McDevitt is an excellent coach and we'd be extremely fortunate to be able to lure him in. Saying otherwise kinda makes you look bad.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Kelvin came from montana didnt he? Dude McDevitt is an excellent coach and we'd be extremely fortunate to be able to lure him in. Saying otherwise kinda makes you look bad.

No, he didn't.

 

[sybarite]

Actually, he did. He began coaching at Montana Tech before moving to Washington State.

 

[coolm]

are they the Bears? because I remember him talking about the Bears for some reason.

 

[stormspencer]

So get rid of a HOF coach in Kruger for an unproven young guy from a low end school, and pray he magically works.


I'm good. I'll stick with having the HOF coach OU basketball. But hey, at least OU fans are showing how "great" of a basketball program we are by saying we should hire coaches from low end schools. That shows where the program truly is.

In your bubble, you come off as having no idea what you are talking about. You appear to not know how the ladder of college basketball coaching works.
Many times over and over, great coaches come from small schools....the list is too long to mention. I don't want to fire Lon right now, but it's a message board for gawd's sake...so the discussion of his successor, especially after the last two seasons, could be a reasonable topic.

We get it....you're a non-apologetic Lon guy. Yet that doesn't mean fans can't discuss the long-term future of our program. And yes....that might include who will take over once Lon isn't around....so pull your head out of your......nevermind.

 

[Matthew G]

are they the Bears? because I remember him talking about the Bears for some reason.

Cougars for Wazzu, diggers for Montana Tech.

In your bubble, you come off as having no idea what you are talking about. You appear to not know how the ladder of college basketball coaching works.
Many times over and over, great coaches come from small schools....the list is too long to mention. I don't want to fire Lon right now, but it's a message board for gawd's sake...so the discussion of his successor, especially after the last two seasons, could be a reasonable topic.

We get it....you're a non-apologetic Lon guy. Yet that doesn't mean fans can't discuss the long-term future of our program. And yes....that might include who will take over once Lon isn't around....so pull your head out of your......nevermind.

“Especially after the last two seasons could be a reasonable topic”

I don’t get this, once again. Somehow, it’s ok to talk about firing a coach because he got a bad team from last year to the NCAA tournament this year, and that’s not good enough for OU fans, instead it’s met with “we should talk about the next coach because Kruger has lost it”. How does that make any sense? I’ve literally posted the prediction thread before the season, and most had us barely getting I. The tournament. Guess what? We are barely getting in the tournament, in other words, making what most expected. Yet, now we are talking about how “disappointing this season has been” even though it has met expectations.


For the rest, I guess I’m overvaluing our program even though I would argue it’s not a top 25 program. I must be still overvaluing it considering I don’t want a coach from the Big Sky conference as Kruger’s replacement yet others do. That’s really how bad OU is as a program, that they can only attract a coach from the big sky?

Think about it, our last 3 coaches, Kelvin, Capel, and Kruger came from Wazzu, VCU, and UNLV. Those are world beaters in basketball, but they are programs OU SHOULD be able to steal from. But your 1st choice the HC at UNC Asheville? Not even a middle G5 school, such as Nevada’s HC, or St Bonnie’s HC, or Saint Mary’s HC? The first choice is instead UNC ashvelille. I get that he’s a young name, but I guess I overvalue OU’s program to think we can do better than a dude with no experience. Sounds more like a major bust potential (at least bust in terms of missing the NCAA’s, which if you do for 1 year at OU and then barely make it the next, you deserve to be talked about moving on from) rather than a homerun.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Cougars for Wazzu, diggers for Montana Tech.






“Especially after the last two seasons could be a reasonable topic”

I don’t get this, once again. Somehow, it’s ok to talk about firing a coach because he got a bad team from last year to the NCAA tournament this year, and that’s not good enough for OU fans, instead it’s met with “we should talk about the next coach because Kruger has lost it”. How does that make any sense? I’ve literally posted the prediction thread before the season, and most had us barely getting I. The tournament. Guess what? We are barely getting in the tournament, in other words, making what most expected. Yet, now we are talking about how “disappointing this season has been” even though it has met expectations.


For the rest, I guess I’m overvaluing our program even though I would argue it’s not a top 25 program. I must be still overvaluing it considering I don’t want a coach from the Big Sky conference as Kruger’s replacement yet others do. That’s really how bad OU is as a program, that they can only attract a coach from the big sky?

Think about it, our last 3 coaches, Kelvin, Capel, and Kruger came from Wazzu, VCU, and UNLV. Those are world beaters in basketball, but they are programs OU SHOULD be able to steal from. But your 1st choice the HC at UNC Asheville? Not even a middle G5 school, such as Nevada’s HC, or St Bonnie’s HC, or Saint Mary’s HC? The first choice is instead UNC ashvelille. I get that he’s a young name, but I guess I overvalue OU’s program to think we can do better than a dude with no experience. Sounds more like a major bust potential (at least bust in terms of missing the NCAA’s, which if you do for 1 year at OU and then barely make it the next, you deserve to be talked about moving on from) rather than a homerun.

Wtf?

 

[WaymanFan]

I guess I’m overvaluing our program even though I would argue it’s not a top 25 program.

No reasonable argument can be made that OU is not a top 25 men's basketball program. NONE. If I had a to be objective and pick a range of 5 spots, I would go as high as 18 and as low as 22. I honestly think the 5th Final Four moved us into the top 20. No program who hasn't won a title has won as many NCAA Tournament basketball games and only two others have been to as many Final Fours.

As for where we get coaches from, back in 1980, we wanted John Thompson from Georgetown, but "settled" for Lamar's Billy Tubbs. That worked out all right. It's all about instincts. Joe C has made mistakes, but he doesn't seem to make the same one twice. If Coach Kruger were to retire, we'll get a good replacement.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Actually, he did. He began coaching at Montana Tech before moving to Washington State.

Which means he didn't come to OU from Montana, i.e., a low level program. Instead, he came to Norman after being the head coach at a power conference school. Which was the point of the post. Trust me, I know Kelvin's resume.

In any event, everyone can point to examples, good and bad, of hires that have or haven't worked out. It's all an educated guess. What isn't a guess is whether our current coach has shown an ability to win at this level. Of course, some seem to believe that the game has passed him by. What I can't figure out from those posts is whether the game has changed so much so as to pass him by in the past two years, or did this massive transition happen even more recently, like six weeks ago, after we started 14-2??

 

[DenverSooner]

Kelvin came from montana didnt he? Dude McDevitt is an excellent coach and we'd be extremely fortunate to be able to lure him in. Saying otherwise kinda makes you look bad.

Washington State I believe. Tubbs was from Lamar.

 

[Matthew G]

So for those saying OU is a top 25 program, why would they settle for a guy at a low level NCAA school? Is OU not good enough to take a good G5 coach, or even another P5 coach?

That was part of where the program is at. If you replacement for Kruger is a low level NCAA coach, you are saying either every one is blind because that guy still coaching at that school and not a G5 school or even low P5 level school or that OU isn't a top program and needs to take a major risk for a hire.


And yes, some low level coaches work out at big programs. Not sure the % on how many work vs don't, but I'd venture on the more not working, but that's true about any job.

 

[sybarite]

I haven't even begun to consider this. I was not exactly a fan of the Kruger hire when he was hired. I had nothing against him. He just wasn't what I thought OU needed. I have always regarded him somewhat as a political hire.

I tend to think he is a pretty good coach. I don't see the coach on the horizon that I would want to replace him. I really wanted Tubbs when we hired him. I learned to like Sampson a lot. It's a bit late for them to come back. Neither would have left OU had I had any authority. I respected Tubbs more than I did those who didn't like him, and I'll pay attention to the NCAA recruiting violations after they prosecute Nebraska for what they did under Osborne, Kentucky for their entire program history, and Baylor for even existing. Recruiting violations? Seriously? It's OK to rape guys and girls, but you can't make too many phone calls?

I just don't see anything out there that is the future that I would like to see at OU. Lon is decent, and we aren't really a basketball power. If we actually decide to build a power program, I'll pay a bit more attention. Until then, I'll just enjoy the people we have at times: the Hields, Youngs, and Griffins. I even love to watch Lattin and NcNeace.

But, let's get real. How many times has a top five recruit from out-of-state come to OU to play basketball? I don't remember any--ever. We are dependent on the Adams, Tisdales, Griffins, etc., born or reared in Oklahoma, to be the center of our teams. Tubbs recruited some good players from out of state. But, we never got a #1-5. Powers do that. I don't know that we have ever decided to build a basketball power. We do that in football, gymnastics. When we were a wrestling power, it was nearly all Okies. Did it in women's basketball once. We just have never committed to building a basketball power.

 

[sheepdogs1]

So for those saying OU is a top 25 program, why would they settle for a guy at a low level NCAA school? Is OU not good enough to take a good G5 coach, or even another P5 coach?

That was part of where the program is at. If you replacement for Kruger is a low level NCAA coach, you are saying either every one is blind because that guy still coaching at that school and not a G5 school or even low P5 level school or that OU isn't a top program and needs to take a major risk for a hire.


And yes, some low level coaches work out at big programs. Not sure the % on how many work vs don't, but I'd venture on the more not working, but that's true about any job.

Not all quality coaches swim in the same pool. You also would need to take into account the ongoing investigations, which likely focuses on the larger schools, as opposed to the NC Ashevilles of the world.

 

[Matthew G]

Not all quality coaches swim in the same pool. You also would need to take into account the ongoing investigations, which likely focuses on the larger schools, as opposed to the NC Ashevilles of the world.

Actually, most do. If you are a great coach, you will be discovered and higher level teams will hire you.

I mean, the FBI investigations have nothing to do with who OU fans realistically want after Kruger is gone. The fact that a few have said they want UNC asheville's coach as their prime candidate shows this isn't a top 20 program, or shows that everyone is blind to how great of a coach DeVitt is since places like Butler, VCU, Dayton, etc. didn't hire him.

If we start comparing hires from last year, don't you think it's funny that places like Ohio State and Indiana hired from the G5 level, places like Dayton and Butler, rather than running to the Big Sky or Patriot League to get a coach. They went to programs who are established and usually good to take their next coach. Texas and LSU both took VCU's coach at the time. They didn't run to the bottom of the conferences to get a coach.


For me, personally, if Kruger retired, I'd like to see OU go after Eric Musselman, a former NBA coach (who failed there) that's gone to Nevada (a mid level G5) and will take them to the tournament for the 2nd straight year. Hell, make a run at Greg McDermott (Creighton), Will Wade (Not likely, LSU), or even Tom Crean (out of a job). I don't think DeVitt is terrible, but I think if OU's a top 20 program, they shouldn't be hiring a guy from the lowest of lows conferences to a top 20 program.


Then again, the original post was made because they are more leaning towards Kruger being let go or forced into retirement, and that's why they want DeVitt, which I'm 100% against. You don't fire a HOF coach for a young guy at a bottom college

 

[DenverSooner]

Just don’t hire someone from Lamar.