MBB Transfer Portal Thread: Moser Year 4

WichitaSooner said:
Lots of college kids are no longer dirt poor, they can help their families come see games, and guys who would otherwise leave early for pro careers (even in minor leagues) are staying around because they can earn money from their talents (which obviously make schools tons of money). You don't have to like it, but to suggest that nothing good comes from it is looking at is from purely a self-interest perspective.
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Schools aren't making tons of money off of sports.

And of we are looking at it from a self interest perspective.
But the whole point of college athletics is gone. Literally, what is the point of having them anymore?
 
MJSooner said:
Maybe the ONLY positive about NIL and the evolution of college sports is it has kept players in college longer. Oscar T. at UK was the first big name, then Drew Timme, and now Dickinson. These are all guys who would have bolted for the NBAs/pros, but now they can make more/as much in college vs. going and being a low pick or having to play overseas. Same with how it is limiting the one-and-dones. Both of those aspects are good for college basketball.

Of course, the bad news is they're rarely staying at the same school for their entire tenure.

Which leads me to the point I've been harping on for a long time. It isn't NIL that has created the mess, particularly in college basketball. It is when the NCAA started allowing penalty-free transfers, essentially creating contract-less free agency in college sports. At least in pro sports, the GM knows he has the player for a set time- not so in college.
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you can add Bacot to that list ... as well as brady manek for that matter ..

and edey
 
WichitaSooner said:
Lots of college kids are no longer dirt poor, they can help their families come see games, and guys who would otherwise leave early for pro careers (even in minor leagues) are staying around because they can earn money from their talents (which obviously make schools tons of money). You don't have to like it, but to suggest that nothing good comes from it is looking at is from purely a self-interest perspective.
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Thanks, but I'm not looking at it from a purely self-interest perspective. I'm assessing what's good for the culture of collegiate sports, and morphing into professional leagues ain't it. If we want more pro athletes aged 18-21, then minor leagues would be the way to go, similar in some ways to how professional baseball is set up. Collegiate sports, in this scenario, would be free of pay-to-play, though players could earn some money off their names, images and likenesses (as it was purportedly meant to be originally).

As for making schools tons of money--I don't know how many times it needs to be said, but I'll say it again: Aside from the excessive level of pay that many coaches receive (which I object to), that "tons of money" primarily benefits the players themselves in improved services and facilities. Very few athletic departments even break even, much less find themselves rolling in dough at the expense of the student-athletes. Throw in a free college education, free food, etc., and the student athletes have been well compensated. This notion that they have been mistreated indentured servants doesn't fly.
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
Schools aren't making tons of money off of sports.

And of we are looking at it from a self interest perspective.
But the whole point of college athletics is gone. Literally, what is the point of having them anymore?
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Coaches and ADs and university presidents are all making more money than ever before, and it’s not slowing down. In fact, the opposite. College sports is printing money. I’m fine with having the athletes themselves get their share.
 
skyvue said:
Thanks, but I'm not looking at it from a purely self-interest perspective. I'm assessing what's good for the culture of collegiate sports, and morphing into professional leagues ain't it. If we want more pro athletes aged 18-21, then minor leagues would be the way to go, similar in some ways to how professional baseball is set up. Collegiate sports, in this scenario, would be free of pay-to-play, though players could earn some money off their names, images and likenesses (as it was purportedly meant to be originally).

As for making schools tons of money--I don't know how many times it needs to be said, but I'll say it again: Aside from the excessive level of pay that many coaches receive (which I object to), that "tons of money" primarily benefits the players themselves in improved services and facilities. Very few athletic departments even break even, much less find themselves rolling in dough at the expense of the student-athletes. Throw in a free college education, free food, etc., and the student athletes have been well compensated. This notion that they have been mistreated indentured servants doesn't fly.
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So when the kids can’t afford to fly home to visit family, or a parent can’t afford to travel to see their kid play in a tournament game that is being broadcast as part of a contract worth hundreds of millions, that’s ok because hey, at least the player has a nice facility to practice in and access to other perks? Doesn’t seem like a fair trade to me.
 
WichitaSooner said:
So when the kids can’t afford to fly home to visit family, or a parent can’t afford to travel to see their kid play in a tournament game that is being broadcast as part of a contract worth hundreds of millions, that’s ok because hey, at least the player has a nice facility to practice in and access to other perks? Doesn’t seem like a fair trade to me.
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I mean that all goes into the decision of where to play ball. If that stuff is important to you, go to a school closer to home.

Again, as it is right now, what is the purpose and point of college athletics? I know what it used to be. What is it now?
When the answer is money, it is time to hang it up and just spin it off into a professional league with no ties to the schools.

NIL is fine if it was truly NIL. Pay to play flies in the face of what college sports is. Some are OK with it but it will be the death of the sport
 
Is this guy even starter material? I don't know how many offensively-challenged mid-major types we need.
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
Some are OK with it but it will be the death of the sport
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Again didn’t mean to hijack the thread lol but I guess this is what I would push back against big time. The biggest driver for audience is brand loyalty/college nostalgia IMO although I have no market study to necessarily back this up.

A few of my friends follow HS recruiting/roster construction (for OU FB) very closely. The vast majority like to wear red and drink on Saturdays. I guess I don’t think the casual fan cares as long as the jerseys say Sooners and they’re competitive.
 
TINY said:
No idea but he is 6-7 and can shoot from outside. Defense looks pretty good too.

we could do worse.
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41/37% doesn't inspire me, especially against inferior competition but as always, who knows?
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
I mean that all goes into the decision of where to play ball. If that stuff is important to you, go to a school closer to home.

Again, as it is right now, what is the purpose and point of college athletics? I know what it used to be. What is it now?
When the answer is money, it is time to hang it up and just spin it off into a professional league with no ties to the schools.

NIL is fine if it was truly NIL. Pay to play flies in the face of what college sports is. Some are OK with it but it will be the death of the sport
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Again, everyone has been saying this for two or three years, yet the ratings go up, along with salaries and TV rights deals. I would love to have even one person take me up on the wagers I have offered. 10 years from now, college sports will still be around, and many of the same people will still be posting on message boards about how they are "done" with it. Just like the people who predicted decades ago that free agency would ruin pro sports, they will be wrong.
 
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