MBB Transfer Portal Thread: Moser Year 4

WichitaSooner said:
So when the kids can’t afford to fly home to visit family, or a parent can’t afford to travel to see their kid play in a tournament game that is being broadcast as part of a contract worth hundreds of millions, that’s ok because hey, at least the player has a nice facility to practice in and access to other perks? Doesn’t seem like a fair trade to me.
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Plenty of students pay tens of thousands of dollars for their college education (and often end up deeply in debt) and can't afford to travel home. That's a factor every student-athlete should consider when he or she chooses where to go to school. You're also generalizing about the income level of the student-athletes' families. Some have limited resources, of course, but many others don't.

And there's a huge difference between a $600K (or more) bag and the cost of an airline ticket (or five airline tickets for the whole family). I'd be fine with a policy that allowed a school to buy two round-trip coach tickets a year for athletes. But that'd cost less than $2K. The factors you're citing to defend the huge bags guys are getting by jumping from college to college every spring don't add up. And these big paydays actually have the potential to hurt the other players on the team. If one guy's getting $800k and another is getting $600k, how much is left for the other players? Do you not feel empathy for the sixth man or the guy at the end of the bench?

As for your dismissal of the importance of facilities and services, you're being disingenuous. These guys are not only getting a great academic education (if they care to pursue it), they receive invaluable professional instruction, nutritional guidance (and food), top-notch health care, and more--all in the best facilities money can buy. Their locker rooms are nicer than most folks' homes. Their dorms are almost certainly lavish compared to those of regular students.

If none of this matters to them--if they only care about cash on the barrel head--then by all means, let them go pro, and good luck to them.
 
Hypothesizing...

1. You need to find a way to land Pedulla. You just have to. Increase the NIL. Kidnapping may end up becoming an option.

2. Scott and Elvis. I like Scott. A little more as a 6th man type than starter. Elvis, nah.

Would look something like this....

PG Pedulla
SG Elvis
SF Scott
PF Moore
C Godwin (until they add someone else).

Even if you plug in Garrison at the 5, which I doubt happens, I'm not sure I see a tourney team. Certainly doesn't look like a team that would go very far.

Of course, they have one more scholarship to play with if they land 4 guys....so maybe you can put Elvis or Scott on the bench.
 
StoopsBros said:
Hypothesizing...

1. You need to find a way to land Pedulla. You just have to. Increase the NIL. Kidnapping may end up becoming an option.

2. Scott and Elvis. I like Scott. A little more as a 6th man type than starter. Elvis, nah.

Would look something like this....

PG Pedulla
SG Elvis
SF Scott
PF Moore
C Godwin (until they add someone else).

Even if you plug in Garrison at the 5, which I doubt happens, I'm not sure I see a tourney team. Certainly doesn't look like a team that would go very far.

Of course, they have one more scholarship to play with if they land 4 guys....so maybe you can put Elvis or Scott on the bench.
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*sigh* agree with all said here.
 
SoonerDutch said:
Again didn’t mean to hijack the thread lol but I guess this is what I would push back against big time. The biggest driver for audience is brand loyalty/college nostalgia IMO although I have no market study to necessarily back this up.

A few of my friends follow HS recruiting/roster construction (for OU FB) very closely. The vast majority like to wear red and drink on Saturdays. I guess I don’t think the casual fan cares as long as the jerseys say Sooners and they’re competitive.
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There's a reason millions of people prefer college athletics to professional sports (and vice versa). Many college fans express deep disdain for professional sports. I think the presumption that those fans will be fine with college sports morphing into professional sports is off the mark. But if college sports continue down their current path without some guardrails being put in place for another 10 or 15 years, an entire generation will have known nothing but this current setup and those fans will throw an "Ok, boomer" (or its equivalent) at anyone bemoaning what was lost.
 
StoopsBros said:
Hypothesizing...

1. You need to find a way to land Pedulla. You just have to. Increase the NIL. Kidnapping may end up becoming an option.

2. Scott and Elvis. I like Scott. A little more as a 6th man type than starter. Elvis, nah.

Would look something like this....

PG Pedulla
SG Elvis
SF Scott
PF Moore
C Godwin (until they add someone else).

Even if you plug in Garrison at the 5, which I doubt happens, I'm not sure I see a tourney team. Certainly doesn't look like a team that would go very far.

Of course, they have one more scholarship to play with if they land 4 guys....so maybe you can put Elvis or Scott on the bench.
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That’s a brutal lineup lol. Sub-.500 imo
 
steverocks35 said:
41/37% doesn't inspire me, especially against inferior competition but as always, who knows?
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37% from 3 for a forward doesn't inspire you? I'd take it.
His overall isn't as high as we would like but that dropped this year. His other 2 years were much better.

Seems like a good piece alongside Moore. Gives us really good size
 
I will also say....

We might have overestimated the NIL increase. Nothing that's happening right now screams, "OU has MORE money".

I hope to hell I'm wrong but it feels like dumpster diving, a bit...not calling the kids themselves garbage. Or shopping from the sale rack.
 
WichitaSooner said:
Again, everyone has been saying this for two or three years, yet the ratings go up, along with salaries and TV rights deals. I would love to have even one person take me up on the wagers I have offered. 10 years from now, college sports will still be around, and many of the same people will still be posting on message boards about how they are "done" with it. Just like the people who predicted decades ago that free agency would ruin pro sports, they will be wrong.
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I'd have to see the data to believe ratings are up...that also depends a lot on how you are measuring ratings. With ESPN+ exploding, more games than ever are on TV

I'm sure college sports will be around in ten years. It won't be recognizable though. Players will be employees that are directly employed to play basketball and won't be required to attend the university
 
I don't like osu fans being douchenozzles to us on discord... But this is where we are at
 
StoopsBros said:
I will also say....

We might have overestimated the NIL increase. Nothing that's happening right now screams, "OU has MORE money".

I hope to hell I'm wrong but it feels like dumpster diving, a bit...not calling the kids themselves garbage. Or shopping from the sale rack.
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It is exactly how it feels. More like on to some guys who would be viewed as plan C or D at other programs.
 
StoopsBros said:
I will also say....

We might have overestimated the NIL increase. Nothing that's happening right now screams, "OU has MORE money".

I hope to hell I'm wrong but it feels like dumpster diving, a bit...not calling the kids themselves garbage. Or shopping from the sale rack.
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I think it was overestimated for sure. Nothing I heard this spring said we were going to be competitive in NIL and the kids we've targeted so far certainly don't point that direction.
 
TopherB560 said:
It is exactly how it feels. More like on to some guys who would be viewed as plan C or D at other programs.
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I'd say Bs and Cs but yeah.

Seems like things went quiet after the excitement of a few days ago. Almost seems like PM thought he had the green light for more and then was reigned back in and the last few days likely had a lot of back and forth between the coaching staff and the AD
 
TopherB560 said:
It is exactly how it feels. More like on to some guys who would be viewed as plan C or D at other programs.
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I'm trying to not be overly negative, lol.


But Elvis isn't highly sought after. According to Twitter, OU's main competition might be College of Charleston. Chris Mack is a good coach, and he knows talent, but come on.




As @tmeyer3307 is saying though, maybe OU is looking at Elvis as a backup. I guess that's okay but then the next questions are; who's starting at the 2 guard? Another transfer? Or Cooper? Is Cooper ready for that kind of jump?
 
WichitaSooner said:
Again, everyone has been saying this for two or three years, yet the ratings go up, along with salaries and TV rights deals.
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The women's tourney attracted significantly more viewers than the men did. And yes, that's due to Caitlin Clark (and some other top players), but it's still telling. There is (for now) much less jumping around from team to team in women's sports and they seem to be benefiting from it.
 
skyvue said:
The women's tourney attracted significantly more viewers than the men did. And yes, that's due to Caitlin Clark (and some other top players), but it's still telling. There is (for now) much less jumping around from team to team in women's sports and they seem to be benefiting from it.
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It really didn't though.
 
StoopsBros said:
I'm trying to not be overly negative, lol.


But Elvis isn't highly sought after. According to Twitter, OU's main competition might be College of Charleston. Chris Mack is a good coach, and he knows talent, but come on.




As @tmeyer3307 is saying though, maybe OU is looking at Elvis as a backup. I guess that's okay but then the next questions are; who's starting at the 2 guard? Another transfer? Or Cooper? Is Cooper ready for that kind of jump?
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I'd say Cooper has to make that jump for us to have a fighter's chance next year.
 
skyvue said:
There's a reason millions of people prefer college athletics to professional sports (and vice versa). Many college fans express deep disdain for professional sports. I think the presumption that those fans will be fine with college sports morphing into professional sports is off the mark. But if college sports continue down their current path without some guardrails being put in place for another 10 or 15 years, an entire generation will have known nothing but this current setup and those fans will throw an "Ok, boomer" (or its equivalent) at anyone bemoaning what was lost.
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Just to be clear don’t take this personally or view it as an indictment of your fandom, I just don’t see this silent majority of amateurism fans that you’re implying.

It’s turning some people off (clearly you are one of them), I’d be willing to be convinced it’s a material risk to college athletics but I just don’t see it in the numbers (ratings, TV deals plateauing or going up) or when talking to fans in friend group (casual & passionate) that amateurism is a huge deal for the big time revenue college sports (FB, MBB to be clear).

All I will say mainly just to let the thread continue to be focused on the portal.
 
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