MBB Transfer Portal Thread: Moser Year 4

StoopsBros said:
OU lands...

Pedulla
Scott
Garrison
Elvis

What should they do with the last open scholarship? Probably needs to be another 2/3 type right? Or ball handler?
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I think a high level shooter would be my target. I know you’re a Goodine fan. That might not be attainable but he fits.
 
StoopsBros said:
It's going to be a long season. With or without Pedulla/Garrison. It just is what it is. I'm not going to continue to piss in everyone's cheerios, though. Fans want to hope, they need to hope. Starting, which is the plan, Elvis isn't going to be smart. None of us can do chit about it so eh, it's whatever. Grand Canyon literally just got a commitment from a better guard (not exactly the same, the GCU kid is 6'1).
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To be fair, the season could surprise you if you have zero expectations or very low expectations.

Right now, I'm looking at OU basketball like I look at a movie my wife wants to see (more than likely a chick flick). I go in expecting it to be awful from every standpoint. Sometimes, on rare occasion. Those types of movies surprise me and aren't completely awful. Here's to hoping OU's basketball season is in the same realm.
 
StoopsBros said:
OU lands...

Pedulla
Scott
Garrison
Elvis

What should they do with the last open scholarship? Probably needs to be another 2/3 type right? Or ball handler?
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I know this is a message board and it's fun to discuss what-ifs but we haven't landed even one of those guys yet. If we get 3 of them I will be very surprised.
 
TSSR said:
To be fair, we can have zero hope and then the season could surprise us.

Right now, I'm looking at OU basketball like I look at a movie my wife wants to see (more than likely a chick flick). I go in expecting it to be awful from every standpoint. Sometimes, on rare occasion. Those types of movies surprise me and aren't completely awful. Here's to hoping OU's basketball season is in the same realm.
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For sure. I'm at my lowest point ever with Moser and I'm hoping I'll be dead wrong. 1) Because I actually like Moser the person. 2) I'll never cheer for OU's failure, in any sport, even if the coach needs fired. On paper though, and not just using the Torvik stuff I posted, including Garrison/Pedulla, this team doesn't look like an NCAAT team. Other SEC teams are loading up, even lowly Mizzou. Maybe Moser is a mad scientist and this potential ragtag group will make me eat my words. I hope so.
 
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steverocks35 said:
I know this is a message board and it's fun to discuss what-ifs but we haven't landed even one of those guys yet. If we get 3 of them I will be very surprised.
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As others have pointed out...

Elvis is done. There's no competition for the kid. OU is, by far, his best option.

Scott's sister plays at OU. Pretty easy deal there.

...so now you just have to land one of the big fish; Pedulla and/or Garrison.

Unless another program rises, it seems like a safe bet that Pedulla will end up at OU. Or in other words, Pedulla's options are running dry. But it seems like a new team pops up every day or two. We'll see.

Garrison, man, who knows. It depends on his Texas visit. It depends on any other program (UK, Arky, whoever) increasing the bag. I think it'll ultimately come down to the in-state schools but portal guessing is tricky.
 
StoopsBros said:
OU lands...

Pedulla
Scott
Garrison
Elvis

What should they do with the last open scholarship? Probably needs to be another 2/3 type right? Or ball handler?
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Some shooters I like in no particular order (some haven't even been mentioned for OU) to come off the bench and score are:

Dion Brown, Maryland Balt County 19.0 ppg, 34.9 3p%
Brycen Goodine, Fairfield 13.9 ppg, 46.7 3p%
Jadon Jones, Long Beach St 12.1 ppg, 37.7 3p%
Dominick Harris, Loyola Marymount 14.3 ppg, 44.8 3p%
Issac McBride, Oral Roberts 19.8 ppg, 40.4 career 3p%

Bob P thinks the last spot will be more like Maks because no money left. Surely they can find someone better than that. If not, probably losing record in SEC, no tournament, and new coach next year, which is what I think will happen but hope not.
 
StoopsBros said:
For sure. I'm at my lowest point ever with Moser and I'm hoping I'm going to be dead wrong. 1) Because I actually like Moser the person. 2) I'll never cheer for OU's failure, in any sport, even if the coach needs fired. On paper though, and not just using the Torvik stuff I posted, including Garrison/Pedulla, this team doesn't look like an NCAA team. Other SEC teams are loading up, even lowly Mizzou. Maybe Moser is a mad scientist and this potential ragtag group will make me eat my words. I hope so.
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I understand what you mean about not wanting to see OU fail. But if you have two options: (1) OU suffers through a 14-18 season and Moser gets canned and OU can start the process of undoing the damage of the past four years, or (2) OU goes 19-13, misses the tourney, but Joe keeps him -- I would opt for the short term pain. Now, I would much prefer to just make the tourney next season, but right now, I don't know how even the biggest Moser stan can be optimistic we will make the tourney. I mean, the biggest reasons for optimism coming into last season were (1) Los/Oweh returning and making a leap, and (2) the increased athleticism, which mainly was from Waldo, Moore, and Cooper. Three of those five are gone, and of the remaining two, one barely saw the floor and the other is not yet a sure thing to return (I could still see him going to the portal).
 
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WichitaSooner said:
I understand what you mean about not wanting to see OU fail. But if you have two options: (1) OU suffers through a 14-18 season and Moser gets canned and OU can start the process of undoing the damage of the past four years, or (2) OU goes 19-13, misses the tourney, but Joe keeps him -- I would opt for the short term pain. Now, I would much prefer to just make the tourney next season, but right now, I don't know how even the biggest Moser stan can be optimistic we will make the tourney. I mean, the biggest reasons for optimism coming into last season were (1) Los/Oweh returning and making a leap, and (2) the increased athleticism, which mainly was from Waldo, Soares, and Cooper. Three of those five are gone, and of the remaining two, one barely saw the floor and the other is not yet a sure thing to return (I could still see him going to the portal).
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Between those options I’d take number one.

Also: I think “Waldo” and Soares were the same dude. I’m sure you meant to add Moore in there.
 
StoopsBros said:
As others have pointed out...

Elvis is done. There's no competition for the kid. OU is, by far, his best option.

Scott's sister plays at OU. Pretty easy deal there.

...so now you just have to land one of the big fish; Pedulla and/or Garrison.

Unless another program rises, it seems like a safe bet that Pedulla will end up at OU. Or in other words, Pedulla's options are running dry. But it seems like a new team pops up every day or two. We'll see.

Garrison, man, who knows. It depends on his Texas visit. It depends on any other program (UK, Arky, whoever) increasing the bag. I think it'll ultimately come down to the in-state schools but portal guessing is tricky.
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Yet none of them have committed 🤷‍♂️
 
WichitaSooner said:
I understand what you mean about not wanting to see OU fail. But if you have two options: (1) OU suffers through a 14-18 season and Moser gets canned and OU can start the process of undoing the damage of the past four years, or (2) OU goes 19-13, misses the tourney, but Joe keeps him -- I would opt for the short term pain. Now, I would much prefer to just make the tourney next season, but right now, I don't know how even the biggest Moser stan can be optimistic we will make the tourney. I mean, the biggest reasons for optimism coming into last season were (1) Los/Oweh returning and making a leap, and (2) the increased athleticism, which mainly was from Waldo, Soares, and Cooper. Three of those five are gone, and of the remaining two, one barely saw the floor and the other is not yet a sure thing to return (I could still see him going to the portal).
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Or you could have, I don't know, maybe a third option where Moser lands the players we have offered and visited RN- Scott, Elvis, Pedulla, Garrison- and pick up a shooter off the bench. And, although that roster may not have the appearance of "portal excitement" or even the same athleticism as last year from the portal and overall roster, the pieces fit better than just some of the raw athletes from last year, who have higher basketball IQ and ability collectively than a team with Oweh, Uzan Darthard, and early season Moore and Soares. A lot of athletes, but not "great" basketball players. That is a possibility, right?

Because of the fit, IQ, and higher drive, they go something like 20-12 in the SEC and make the tournament as a #8-#10 seed. Maybe even pick up a win post-season.

Yeah, still not the same kind of success any of us wants but that roster isn't necessarily doom-and gloom or low expectations, either. Certainly not a top seed, but maybe, just maybe, it's one we can support and get excited about along the way.
 
WichitaSooner said:
I understand what you mean about not wanting to see OU fail. But if you have two options: (1) OU suffers through a 14-18 season and Moser gets canned and OU can start the process of undoing the damage of the past four years, or (2) OU goes 19-13, misses the tourney, but Joe keeps him -- I would opt for the short term pain. Now, I would much prefer to just make the tourney next season, but right now, I don't know how even the biggest Moser stan can be optimistic we will make the tourney. I mean, the biggest reasons for optimism coming into last season were (1) Los/Oweh returning and making a leap, and (2) the increased athleticism, which mainly was from Waldo, Soares, and Cooper. Three of those five are gone, and of the remaining two, one barely saw the floor and the other is not yet a sure thing to return (I could still see him going to the portal).
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From your two options, I'm definitely at #1 today.

But I wanted it to be...

Increase NIL ✅ - sadly, I don't think it was substantial enough, it's being grossly mismanaged, or a combo of both.
Shed dead weight ✅ - Hugley and Oweh especially.
Add better players than the ones you lost ❌ - as of now but things are obviously undecided.
Win more than 20 games ❓
Make a tournament run ❓
 
MJSooner said:
Or you could have, I don't know, maybe a third option where Moser lands the players we have offered and visited RN- Scott, Elvis, Pedulla, Garrison- and pick up a shooter off the bench. And, although that roster may not have the appearance of "portal excitement" or even the same athleticism as last year from the portal and overall roster, the pieces fit better than just some of the raw athletes from last year, who have higher basketball IQ and ability collectively than a team with Oweh, Uzan Darthard, and early season Moore and Soares. A lot of athletes, but not "great" basketball players. That is a possibility, right?

Because of the fit, IQ, and higher drive, they go something like 20-12 in the SEC and make the tournament as a #8-#10 seed. Maybe even pick up a win post-season.

Yeah, still not the same kind of success any of us wants but that roster isn't necessarily doom-and gloom or low expectations, either. Certainly not a top seed, but maybe, just maybe, it's one we can support and get excited about along the way.
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Waldo and Moore were not raw athletes who lacked basketball IQ. They were our best players. I agree that sometimes teams with great athletes struggle because they lack skill or basketball smarts, but Soares and Moore absolutely don’t fit in that category. Both those guys had very nice all around games, and they also played incredibly hard. Neither is a great ball handler, but I don’t recall either of them making a lot of “dumb” mistakes.
 
MJSooner said:
Or you could have, I don't know, maybe a third option where Moser lands the players we have offered and visited RN- Scott, Elvis, Pedulla, Garrison- and pick up a shooter off the bench. And, although that roster may not have the appearance of "portal excitement" or even the same athleticism as last year from the portal and overall roster, the pieces fit better than just some of the raw athletes from last year, who have higher basketball IQ and ability collectively than a team with Oweh, Uzan Darthard, and early season Moore and Soares. A lot of athletes, but not "great" basketball players. That is a possibility, right?

Because of the fit, IQ, and higher drive, they go something like 20-12 in the SEC and make the tournament as a #8-#10 seed. Maybe even pick up a win post-season.
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Man I wish I shared your optimism I really do.

All we have to base our expectations on next year is what we’ve seen thus far. And what we’ve seen is: barely miss the tournament, losing record, barely miss the tournament. I just don’t think the chances are very high that things are magically going to come together next year for Moser. I’m afraid last year was his last chance to make some noise with the roster he had.
 
WichitaSooner said:
Waldo and Moore were not raw athletes who lacked basketball IQ. They were our best players. I agree that sometimes teams with great athletes struggle because they lack skill or basketball smarts, but Soares and Moore absolutely don’t fit in that category. Both those guys had very nice all around games, and they also played incredibly hard. Neither is a great ball handler, but I don’t recall either of them making a lot of “dumb” mistakes.
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Agreed. And it’s sad that it took Moser 90% into the season to start Soares over Oweh when it was pretty clear by conference time he was better.
 
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