MBB Transfer Portal Thread: Moser Year 4

colston15 said:
Miles is a superior player to little baby Javian.

And I liked Javian. Good dude, but a bricklayer who had no chance to defend at the power 6 level.
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That's your opinion, but you aren't offering anything to back it up. Again, it's a little tougher to make shots against Big 12 (and now SEC) opponents than it is at High Point or Siena. The numbers on Miles don't make him a sure bet to be a good shooter at this level. As for defense, that wasn't the subject of the post. We were discussing his shooting and comparing it to JM.
 
WichitaSooner said:
That's your opinion, but you aren't offering anything to back it up. Again, it's a little tougher to make shots against Big 12 (and now SEC) opponents than it is at High Point or Siena. The numbers on Miles don't make him a sure bet to be a good shooter at this level. As for defense, that wasn't the subject of the post. We were discussing his shooting and comparing it to JM.
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High Point's offense was Top 50 in the nation per Ken Pom. What did Siena rank with Javian running the show?
 
TEvans4Three said:
Here we go fellas, Javian (Siena) v. Miles (High Point)

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Thank you.

So the specific category that was the topic of the discussion was 3-pt shooting, and there is a half percentage point difference. So is it crazy for me to wonder if we can really be certain that THAT ONE ASPECT OF HIS GAME will be significantly better than JM, especially given the difference in volume? My prediction is that Miles will, in fact, shoot a higher percentage, in large part because he (hopefully) won't be counted on as a high volume shooter. But back to my point, that relies at least in part in getting a true alpha like Richmond. If Miles is asked to be our best guard, like JM was for much of the season, we could have similar issues.
 
WichitaSooner said:
Thank you.

So is it crazy for me to wonder if we can really be certain that THAT ONE ASPECT OF HIS GAME will be significantly better than JM, especially given the difference in volume?
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No, it's not crazy. I guess we'll just have to settle for an upgrade in every other category and hope we break even on 3s.

Have you begun your opposition research on Kadary, just in case? Spoiler: He's also not a great outside shooter.
 
WichitaSooner said:
Thank you.

So the specific category that was the topic of the discussion was 3-pt shooting, and there is a half percentage point difference. So is it crazy for me to wonder if we can really be certain that THAT ONE ASPECT OF HIS GAME will be significantly better than JM, especially given the difference in volume? My prediction is that Miles will, in fact, shoot a higher percentage, in large part because he (hopefully) won't be counted on as a high volume shooter. But back to my point, that relies at least in part in getting a true alpha like Richmond. If Miles is asked to be our best guard, like JM was for much of the season, we could have similar issues.
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Fair question, so many factors to actually consider. Fit within scheme, egos, defenses played...etc.

Let's do one more quick stat v. stat look. McCollum before and during OU:

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JM improved overall based on level of competition, even if his numbers and efficiencies dipped. His ORtg improved and stats stayed fairly consistent given the big jump. If we can get any sort of efficient output to carry over form High Point to here, I think losing a few %s in 3pt overall would be made up for in his ORtg and attacking ability.
 

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OT but OT....off topic (Sooners/Miles) but on topic (transfer portal).





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I know Langston's really good right now, and they have an excellent coach, but it's still odd to see a kid who has played pretty good ball in the D1 ranks jump down a level. Even with their recent success(es), I doubt Langston has much NIL to speak of. Okay, then...not important but caught my eye.
 
StoopsBros said:
OT but OT....off topic (Sooners/Miles) but on topic (transfer portal).





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I know Langston's really good right now, and they have an excellent coach, but it's still odd to see a kid who has played pretty good ball in the D1 ranks jump down a level. Even with their recent success(es), I doubt Langston has much NIL to speak of. Okay, then...not important but caught my eye.
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Gotta figure they’re pushing the HBCU angle.
 
TEvans4Three said:
Fair question, so many factors to actually consider. Fit within scheme, egos, defenses played...etc.

Let's do one more quick stat v. stat look. McCollum before and during OU:

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JM improved overall based on level of competition, even if his numbers and efficiencies dipped. His ORtg improved and stats stayed fairly consistent given the big jump. If we can get any sort of efficient output to carry over form High Point to here, I think losing a few %s in 3pt overall would be made up for in his ORtg and attacking ability.
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I’m not going to argue this point, but I also think it’s fair to say JM struggled more in conference play than our easier non conference slate.
 
sooner333 said:
I’m not going to argue this point, but I also think it’s fair to say JM struggled more in conference play than our easier non conference slate.
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Very true, was just looking at the totality of their seasons.

The downside to this, even though I think it is a fair thing to address and even look at, is that some people will use the tough schedule to say "Look, Oweh and JM were bad." Then you say, "Well, look at Soares, he shot 50%+" ... "Oh, well that is more an outlier/lucky."

So you have to take it all in, with the info you have. Breaking down players based on their toughest games v. easiest games is a lot more nuanced (and time consuming) but still has its merits.
 
sooner333 said:
I’m not going to argue this point, but I also think it’s fair to say JM struggled more in conference play than our easier non conference slate.
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I think competition played a big role. As much as that though, I think his stuggles were exacerbated as the season went on by the fact that no one else on the roster really proved to be a reliable scorer from the perimeter. You could see it in the way people chose to defend him vs anyone else on the roster. Even if you knew he was “slumping”, you know that’s the guy you can’t let get going. Who else scares you?

Milos Uzan really had to be better.
 
SoonerfanOU10 said:
Sheesh. Hindsight is such a funny thing. I was the first to bemoan our station just a couple weeks ago. We should all have to wait until a certain day before we complain about portal gets. With this commitment, plus a couple others we are in on, I think most would take the few we are looking to bag now compared to others we "missed."
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Exactly.
 
TEvans4Three said:
Fair question, so many factors to actually consider. Fit within scheme, egos, defenses played...etc.

Let's do one more quick stat v. stat look. McCollum before and during OU:

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JM improved overall based on level of competition, even if his numbers and efficiencies dipped. His ORtg improved and stats stayed fairly consistent given the big jump. If we can get any sort of efficient output to carry over form High Point to here, I think losing a few %s in 3pt overall would be made up for in his ORtg and attacking ability.
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My model agrees that he was slightly better overall at OU. However, I also include BPM (4.1 at OU to 1.3 at Siena) and EvanMiya BPR (3.26 at OU to 1.31). We're in the same ballpark on this.

As for Duke Miles, my model has him as the number 10 guard and number 40 overall.

On3 Industry has Duke at 71 overall and number 31 guard if I counted correctly.
 
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Sorry if I’m not up to speed on this thread, but what Bigs does OU have a realistic shot at?
 
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