McGusty Transferring

vbdad said:
Houston makes sense. I bet he will work on his game especially defense in his transfer year. Guys usually realize they have to put in the work after they have transferred.

As for LK didn't put him position to score is ludicrous. Has anybody watched our offense over the years. He certainly put Buddy in position to score who wasn't a great dribbler.

It was true that most of the team didn't buy into defense this year and LK has taken the blame for it with the team and vowed to them it will be different next year. Although personally I don't think our guys are athletic enough to be great defenders outside of Jamuni. However defense is mostly effort so it can be at least good.
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Just blows me away.. how do you like accidently take the year off from making your team play defense... :facepalm
 
hoopsaustin said:
Just blows me away.. how do you like accidently take the year off from making your team play defense... :facepalm
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I doubt that is what happened. Coaches usually take the blame on themselves publically, no matter what the situation.
 
vbdad said:
As for LK didn't put him position to score is ludicrous. Has anybody watched our offense over the years. He certainly put Buddy in position to score who wasn't a great dribbler.
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I think that comes down to the type of player that KM is/was. He doesn't have near as quick as shot as Buddy does and wasn't able to get shots off at times that Buddy did. Buddy also was a quicker driver IMO than KM especially the last two seasons which made guys respect it just enough to give him the space he needed. KM seems to have one go to move on a drive and when they shut it down he doesn't have anything else to fall back on.

vbdad said:
Although personally I don't think our guys are athletic enough to be great defenders outside of Jamuni. However defense is mostly effort so it can be at least good.
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I don't get quotes like this when teams like Loyola-Chicago play great "team" defense with guys on the same "athletic" level or even below what OU has as a team. Team defense is just as much about IQ as it is being athletic enough to play it well. Being out of position on back side help on a drive isn't because you aren't athletic enough, it's because you don't know what you're doing ;) Sure being athletic helps cover up some of those issues but Duke was a TERRIBLE defensive team playing man to man this year and that for sure isn't because of not being athletic enough.
 
We can play better defense for sure but Manek, Doolittle, James and Odomes are all fairly heavy footed. None of them move their feet fast at all.

LK tried to make them play defense but it just didn't work. It all started with two guys who refused to even try at it. It didn't really matter what he did with the rest of them.
 
MsProudSooner said:
I doubt that is what happened. Coaches usually take the blame on themselves publically, no matter what the situation.
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And it's probably something like they make decisions early on how their defense is going to work and it's not working at first and you keep fighting through it and then by the time you realize you need to go a different direction, it's too late.

I'm referring to their plan to switch basically everything, except sometimes they're just switching 1-4. A lot of coaches hate this because it allows defenders to be lazy -- you just stay with your guy until he screens, is screened for, or just crosses paths with other offensive players -- by picking up whoever you come across. It requires players to defend players in their "zone" (so to speak) very closely and also to communicate very clearly with all their switches. OU did this all season and it worked out badly. I'm sure they worked and worked and worked and it never got better and by the time they were ready to give up, it was too late to change the entire defense's philosophy.

The other thing that OU's defense did all year long -- and I don't know if this was taught and preached by the coaches or if it just happened due to a lack of discipline -- is collapse on dribble penetration which left 3 point shooters open on the perimeter for wide open shots. With rim protectors inside, this isn't necessary. OU routinely got killed on open 3 point shots which is what the other team wanted because no one nowadays wants to shoot 12 foot contested shots in the lane. It didn't help that Trae Young was absolutely incapable of stopping or even slowing dribble penetration but it was often compounded by the team's switching because we'd end up with someone like Manek or McGusty on the guy with the ball who would then get into the lane easily, force perimeter defenders who are still trying to match up with the new guy they're defending from all the switching to collapse into the lane, leaving good shooters wide open on the perimeter.

This has to stop next year. Good defensive teams have a rim protector inside -- and OU does -- and doesn't leave 3 point shooters on the perimeter to help. If a team wants to shoot jumpers from the free throw line or have a 6'1" PG take on McNeace inside, by all means, let them. They cannot continue collapsing and leaving wide open shooters. One thing that would help is a PG who can slow dribble penetration. It's nearly impossible to stop completely but we need to have someone who makes it tougher.
 
Ghost of Gar Heard said:
And it's probably something like they make decisions early on how their defense is going to work and it's not working at first and you keep fighting through it and then by the time you realize you need to go a different direction, it's too late.

I'm referring to their plan to switch basically everything, except sometimes they're just switching 1-4. A lot of coaches hate this because it allows defenders to be lazy -- you just stay with your guy until he screens, is screened for, or just crosses paths with other offensive players -- by picking up whoever you come across. It requires players to defend players in their "zone" (so to speak) very closely and also to communicate very clearly with all their switches. OU did this all season and it worked out badly. I'm sure they worked and worked and worked and it never got better and by the time they were ready to give up, it was too late to change the entire defense's philosophy.

The other thing that OU's defense did all year long -- and I don't know if this was taught and preached by the coaches or if it just happened due to a lack of discipline -- is collapse on dribble penetration which left 3 point shooters open on the perimeter for wide open shots. With rim protectors inside, this isn't necessary. OU routinely got killed on open 3 point shots which is what the other team wanted because no one nowadays wants to shoot 12 foot contested shots in the lane. It didn't help that Trae Young was absolutely incapable of stopping or even slowing dribble penetration but it was often compounded by the team's switching because we'd end up with someone like Manek or McGusty on the guy with the ball who would then get into the lane easily, force perimeter defenders who are still trying to match up with the new guy they're defending from all the switching to collapse into the lane, leaving good shooters wide open on the perimeter.

This has to stop next year. Good defensive teams have a rim protector inside -- and OU does -- and doesn't leave 3 point shooters on the perimeter to help. If a team wants to shoot jumpers from the free throw line or have a 6'1" PG take on McNeace inside, by all means, let them. They cannot continue collapsing and leaving wide open shooters. One thing that would help is a PG who can slow dribble penetration. It's nearly impossible to stop completely but we need to have someone who makes it tougher.
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this whole post is spot on...but the 2 parts I highlighted were EXACTLY what I was complaining about all season...just ridiculous.

I will add the once or twice we didn't collapse we ended up with a 2/1 with JM or KL having to decide...ball or post.
 
Ghost of Gar Heard said:
And it's probably something like they make decisions early on how their defense is going to work and it's not working at first and you keep fighting through it and then by the time you realize you need to go a different direction, it's too late.

I'm referring to their plan to switch basically everything, except sometimes they're just switching 1-4. A lot of coaches hate this because it allows defenders to be lazy -- you just stay with your guy until he screens, is screened for, or just crosses paths with other offensive players -- by picking up whoever you come across. It requires players to defend players in their "zone" (so to speak) very closely and also to communicate very clearly with all their switches. OU did this all season and it worked out badly. I'm sure they worked and worked and worked and it never got better and by the time they were ready to give up, it was too late to change the entire defense's philosophy.

The other thing that OU's defense did all year long -- and I don't know if this was taught and preached by the coaches or if it just happened due to a lack of discipline -- is collapse on dribble penetration which left 3 point shooters open on the perimeter for wide open shots. With rim protectors inside, this isn't necessary. OU routinely got killed on open 3 point shots which is what the other team wanted because no one nowadays wants to shoot 12 foot contested shots in the lane. It didn't help that Trae Young was absolutely incapable of stopping or even slowing dribble penetration but it was often compounded by the team's switching because we'd end up with someone like Manek or McGusty on the guy with the ball who would then get into the lane easily, force perimeter defenders who are still trying to match up with the new guy they're defending from all the switching to collapse into the lane, leaving good shooters wide open on the perimeter.

This has to stop next year. Good defensive teams have a rim protector inside -- and OU does -- and doesn't leave 3 point shooters on the perimeter to help. If a team wants to shoot jumpers from the free throw line or have a 6'1" PG take on McNeace inside, by all means, let them. They cannot continue collapsing and leaving wide open shooters. One thing that would help is a PG who can slow dribble penetration. It's nearly impossible to stop completely but we need to have someone who makes it tougher.
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Exactly right. And what ive said all year.. a full time switching defense is lazy and poor basketball. At best it should be utilized as a gimmick switch up like pressing.. soft teams switch always.

But it really prolly wouldn't have mattered either way ultimately bc the team had/has no clue about defensive fundamentals in general as you explained with the sinking on the ball side wing with penetration, leaving wide open shooters.. just clueless
 
You can switch if you have alot of equalish type athletes, or just really good athletes in general.

We didn't have that. We weren't super athletic, and we had guys like TY that are significantly smaller than a guy like Odomes.

So I agree, we probably shouldn't have been switching.
 
WTSooner said:
You can switch if you have alot of equalish type athletes, or just really good athletes in general.

We didn't have that. We weren't super athletic, and we had guys like TY that are significantly smaller than a guy like Odomes.

So I agree, we probably shouldn't have been switching.
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Ya. You can do anything with the right personnel. We could have switched with this bunch even. But the execution is not there whether that's on the players or the coaches (definitely both)

Regardless, we stuck with it all year lol :ez-roll:
 
hoopsaustin said:
You doubt that's what happened? It did happen. We played "Olé" defense all year..
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I doubt that the coaches took the year off from making the team play defense. I have no doubt that the players didn't give any effort on defense.
 
It seemed that the switching on everything started a couple of years ago when the officials said they were going to start calling the fouls on the perimeter for 'impeding the offensive player's progress' or something like that. Lots of teams started doing it to avoid getting in foul trouble.
 
We've been switching since LK came to town. It may not be a good defense but Villanova did it last night all game.

McGusty and TY had no chance to stay in front of anybody switched or not.
 
vbdad said:
We've been switching since LK came to town. It may not be a good defense but Villanova did it last night all game.

McGusty and TY had no chance to stay in front of anybody switched or not.
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I’m sure you will agree that Villanova has better athletes, which allowed them to recover if someone made a mistake.

More importantly (repeating what you said earlier) defense is mostly about effort. Some of the players on OU’s team last season couldn’t even spell effort, much less adopt the word as part of their mission statement.
 
Most teams switch 1-4 & hedge their 5 man, including all final 4 teams.
 
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