New commit!

atlantasooner said:
Syb,
Look at ND's current roster.
It has 5 forwards/1 center (4 6-3 or taller) and 7 guards.
Can you please retire this outdated argument.
ND added 3 post players to balance out their roster.

Why?? because McGraw knew she needed more athletic height players that her roster
was imbalanced.
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Facts are never outdated. The current roster which includes a bunch of freshmen big players, is yet to win a game. They won with what I described.
 
BoomerDAB said:
Once again the blind faith and follower mentalities shine thru for Tangled, Sybawrong and MPS..... "In :sherri175_jpg_xs: we trust" I guess. I'm all about bringing in talent, but we need bigs!
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Everyone tends to follow somebody. If the choices offered are a coach of a very successful D1 program and anonymous message board posters, i'm going to choose the coach every time.
 
I think this isn't a bad pick up, but it seems Sherri will take anyone who wants to come to OU... I have to agree with Norm this will shut the door on players like Alexander, Williams, and Ogunbowale who all could have been looking at Ou. It could also make Dungee change course, It sounds like Ortiz was giving a guaranteed to start from day one so that leaves Penzo, Carter, Little, Manning, and Kornet all fighting for time at the 2 and the 3 spots... I don't expect much out of Edwards, Waytt, and the other Williams we have coming in. There is a lot of talent in the post for the 2015 class with a lot of size. Beatrice Mompremier, and Ashley Hearn are both names I've heard Ou was and or is involved with at one time. I'm sure Sherri will get the class she needs for 2015 my guess would be 1 project post know one has heard about and 2 elite level post.

Penzo looks like she could be a good one and she went to high school in Florida which seems to be a new sooner hot spot when it come's to recruiting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyKzbVFGUes
 
Re the 2014 class, there are two signing periods and they haven't occurred. Usually, we don't know much about what Sherri is doing in recruiting until we hear about a commitment or signing, so I'll wait to complain about the lack of a big in the class, at least until that is a reality.

Norm has a valid discussion point, however, in the abstract, e.g. is it in our best interest to have a roster made up completely of guards and forwards, with no post players.

Well, I'm not sure. If this were the boys team we were discussing, I would say absolutely no and agree with Norm. I haven't thought about it much lately, but historically, I would disagree with Norm and mostly agree with syb on this issue, e.g. would rather have a good forward or tall guard than a 5 that can't run.

This being said, and as UConn and Baylor have proven, a really good and mobile 5 is dominant in the girls game and you are better off is you have one. But if you are stuck with a slow, albeit big, girl or a mobile girl that is a little shorter, I would go with the mobile forward.

BTW, we made the national finals with Dales and company, and didn't have a toll post (but did get beat).

Interesting subject.
 
MsProudSooner said:
Everyone tends to follow somebody. If the choices offered are a coach of a very successful D1 program and anonymous message board posters, i'm going to choose the coach every time.
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Just because someone does't coach D1 basketball shouldn't mean they should't post there opinion..


Also I'm a little burnt out by people bringing up 2002 the game has changed since that time, Not saying what happened then wasn't an amazing run but you look at some of the best teams around the country and most teams are getting big post players or mobile tall forwards. Also back to back years Notre beat uconn they had 6'4 Erica Williamson and 6'2 Devereaux Peters who was very long and could jump out the gym. They also had 6'3 Natalie Achonwa who will be a Senior this season.
 
1. Poster criticizes Sherri for what she has (has not) done.
2. Other posters defend Sherri
3. Posters respond by belittling those who defend Sherri.

Probably ninety-five percent of all "discussions" follow this pattern.

In this particular issue, those who constantly (constantly, constantly) emphasize that Sherri can't recruit big players totally ignore the fact that her most highly-rated recruits were big players. Of course, those big players are criticized by these same posters for being too fat, too thin, or not improving. There just has to be something.

How many knew that we were recruiting Gileysa Penzo? I haven't seen one word about her anywhere. Yet, she was as highly-rated by the international community as players that we didn't even hope to sign. But, when she commits, rather than celebrating such a huge commitment, you complain?

Do you have any idea who Sherri is recruiting at any time? Do you know whether she is recruiting a big player or two? Do you know what her standards might be for that player? Do you know when she might feel a need to bring in a player? On what basis do you make any complaint? I don't think you have a clue what Sherri is doing or why. We certainly were caught off guard by this commitment, but it looks to be a sensational commitment, the type of player who can take a team to a new level.

This isn't highschool basketball, and the same rules don't apply. This is a sport that is still young, and it has changed a couple of times already. The day when you could win with Anne Donovan are over. Baylor only won once with Griner, even with help.

Constantly criticizing Sherri? This message board wouldn't even exist if it weren't for Sherri. This program attracted crickets prior to her building it into something that people were interested in discussing. But, you think you know better? Why? Because you played hs basketball or something? You're male?

John Wooden appreciated Sherri. Geno appreciates Sherri. You're better?
 
sybarite said:
1. Poster criticizes Sherri for what she has (has not) done.
2. Other posters defend Sherri
3. Posters respond by belittling those who defend Sherri.

Probably ninety-five percent of all "discussions" follow this pattern.

In this particular issue, those who constantly (constantly, constantly) emphasize that Sherri can't recruit big players totally ignore the fact that her most highly-rated recruits were big players. Of course, those big players are criticized by these same posters for being too fat, too thin, or not improving. There just has to be something.

How many knew that we were recruiting Gileysa Penzo? I haven't seen one word about her anywhere. Yet, she was as highly-rated by the international community as players that we didn't even hope to sign. But, when she commits, rather than celebrating such a huge commitment, you complain?

Do you have any idea who Sherri is recruiting at any time? Do you know whether she is recruiting a big player or two? Do you know what her standards might be for that player? Do you know when she might feel a need to bring in a player? On what basis do you make any complaint? I don't think you have a clue what Sherri is doing or why. We certainly were caught off guard by this commitment, but it looks to be a sensational commitment, the type of player who can take a team to a new level.

This isn't highschool basketball, and the same rules don't apply. This is a sport that is still young, and it has changed a couple of times already. The day when you could win with Anne Donovan are over. Baylor only won once with Griner, even with help.

Constantly criticizing Sherri? This message board wouldn't even exist if it weren't for Sherri. This program attracted crickets prior to her building it into something that people were interested in discussing. But, you think you know better? Why? Because you played hs basketball or something? You're male?

John Wooden appreciated Sherri. Geno appreciates Sherri. You're better?
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:clap:clap:clap

I've yet to see anyone say that Sherri, her staff or the program is perfect. Yet I've seen a few that constantly criticize every move. She needs to get rid of Hansmeyer, now we can't recruit bigs because Hansmeyer's not here. Shouldn't have brought DeCosta back, now she's helping recruiting. She can't recruit! Blah, blah, blah! Certain players are the worst ever! Blah, blah, blah! Sure, we haven't won a NC. But you can rest assured no one wants to win a NC more than Sherri and she's going to continue her best to try to win one! But I do know she's done enough to earn more respect than she gets from some. It's almost like a personal vendetta for something she's done to them, or they think she's done so they attack her every move. It's really comical! And sad!
 
atlantasooner said:
The issue is not with Gileysa Penzo's talent. I'm sure she's an excellent recruit.

Unless there is some roster attrition that has not been announced, OU is overloaded at 1-2 -3 slots (presuming she can play some 3).

It's the roster imbalance right now.
The roster for 2014 has 10 guards, no centers, 3 forwards. So basically zero front court depth at all.

That's not an opinion. That's a fact. You can project all you want Manning playing the 4 but Sherri calls her a guard.

I'll wait for signing day to see the full class before passing along real criticism (yes you can critique Sherri and still be a big fan. The two thoughts are not mutual exclusive).
But right now, the 2014 class makes zero sense based on what OU really needs.
You can understand grabbing Ortiz due to her projected talent level but two other guards?
It's like the football team signing 7 Wrs and no OL.
Based on transfers, the last three classes (including 2014) have been screaming for a center.
Yet no center has been signed.
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Once again, the voice of common sense rather than blind butt kissing.

There's no argument about her quality as a potential Sooner -- the question is are we going to play 5 guards all under 6 feet? How is she ever going to get any minutes -- or if she starts -- who is going to lose minutes to her?

If some of you cannot see in the inbalance in our recruiting then that is amazing.

WE NEED BIGS! 4s and 5s. Period. End of story.
 
Sherri is compensated among the best in women's hoops.
Sherri is by every benchmark a top ten coach in women's hoops. You
want to argue top five, you'd get no real argument from me.
I think no one may maximizes her talent more than Sherri.
I don't think Sherri should win a title every year.
Sherri has set the gold standard for OU.
But generally speaking, Sherri should compete for a Big 12 title (hasn't
really done that lately, but maybe this year) every year.
And once every four to five years make a title run.

Sherri has done a great job in recruiting athletic scoring guards and wings.
It's the best depth/talent mix I can remember for Sooner women's hoops.

The reason we keep harping on bigs, is that this team is probably an athletic big away
from being a true title contender. And a second athletic big and it's probably a legit
top five team for years to come.

And Swim Cash athletic post player not Sue Bird was the difference maker in San Antonio.
She was why the Dales team lost that title game.
 
Are you really sure? If we had Courtney right now, would we win it?

Do you have any idea who Sherri is recruiting----or why? There are a bunch of non-committed posts. Why aren't they getting a lot of offers? Are they?

If Kellogg, Kornet, and Williams developed like the Notre Dame forwards, would we win it all? Why or why not? We still have no idea about Gibbs.

There is such a lack of information that it makes such claims questionable. I don't know what we have. Do you?
 
We don't know how good this girl is. Is she better than Maddie? Better than Little? Better than Alexander? Better than Danni Willams? I doubt she can send all of those girls to the bench. We'll see.
 
I'm so glad myself and others value Norm's opinion even if it's opposite of theirs and possibly the coaching staff. You can be a fan and critic as most of us are. Fight on Sooner Brother!
 
So this is how we greet a new commit? Sickening. As I recall, this site was created because a previous message board became completely controlled by the negative people. Now this board has become that one. I'm taking a vacation from this crap.
 
One post turned a celebration into a nightmare. This should be a thread of joy and wonder. Who is she? How did Sherri find out about her? What position does she actually play? Is she ready, or is she someone we must groom?

What we have found thus far is very, very promising. This should be a thread of exultation. We have a new, potentially great talent.


Leave the concerns out of it.
 
35TangoTango said:
So this is how we greet a new commit? Sickening. As I recall, this site was created because a previous message board became completely controlled by the negative people. Now this board has become that one. I'm taking a vacation from this crap.
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Definitely too early to be critical of Penzo. She may be a true difference maker that helps take us to the next level. However concerns about the failure, to date, to attract a top 10 big is more than legitimate. For certain we are backcourt heavy and frontcourt light.

Have a nice vacation while worrying less about political correctness and thinking more about the truth.
 
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It is revealing that you believe that someone's evaluation of basketball knowledge is based on political correctness as opposed to historical experience. But, this isn't the first time that such tendencies have surfaced. The acknowledgement that there may be something that you don't know is usually concerned with wisdom.
 
Penzo is probably a fine young lady and she may be a terrific basketball player. I have always said that if Sherri can recruit a player better than our starters or projected starters, she should do so because that is how you get better. IF, this girl is that good, and can replace all of our shooting guards, then this move makes some sense.

We know a bit about how good Maddie is. We know a bit about how good Peyton is. Syb has told us repeatedly how good Wyatt is. Some have said Carter is going to be really good. I believe it was Mystery who said Brooke Alexander is really good and Sherri would definitely recruit her. We know that Danni Williams and her family made an unofficial trip to Norman a few months ago, met with Sherri and her staff and loved the visit. She has offers from Tenn, Baylor, A&M, Stanford and many other teams. Even though she is regarded as one of the best guards in the country, OU has stopped contacting her. Then we get to Dungee who is one of the better guards in the country coming in 2016. So, this is a list of players we either have at OU or recruits who had a definite interest in OU. Following is a list of shooting guards at OU for next year and beyond:

Maddie 6'2" with 3 years to play (2014, 2015, 2016)
Peyton 5'11" with 3 years to play (2014, 2015, 2016)
Carter 5'9" with 3 years to play (2014, 2015, 2016)
Penzo 5'9" with 4 years to play (2014, 2015, 2016, 2017)
Wyatt 5'10" with 3 years to play (2014, 2015, 2016)

We have Dungee committed in 2016.

Maddie could potentially play the SF position but that still leaves 4 shooting guards. Does anyone think that all of those players are going to see meaningful minutes? Some of you get irritated whenever I mention redshirting a player. Believe me, I will not mention one word about redshirting anyone at the shooting guard position for the foreseeable future!

Here are Penzo stats in the FIBA (5 games):

PPG 7.6
RPG 3.8
APG 1.8
She shot 39% from the field, 33% from BTA, and 88% from the line
TOs 3 per game

Here are her high school stats in San Juan (at least I think they are from San Juan):

PPG 11.7
RPG 4.7
APG 3.8
She shot 52% from the field, 28% from BTA, and 59% from the line
TOs 3 per game
Steals 2.3

These are her stats from Montverde, FL

http://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/gileysa-penzo/x5R-nPTqEeKZ5AAmVebBJg/default.htm

What this move does is limit the openings to sign a big-time center. At this time we are putting all of our chips next year on Kaylon. Some apparently are not concerned in the least as to whether she will stay healthy, can she stay out of foul trouble, can she play 40 minutes a game, who will be her backup, and will she be a very effective player.

Some do not think it is appropriate to ever question Sherri, much less disagree with her. I suppose those same people would never question the governor, president, or congress. Most of the time I am very complimentary of Sherri and I try to give praise where I think praise is due. This is not one of those times. I hope I'm wrong.
 
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