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I think where Lauren hits in the order is complicated by her OBP (.584) and Shelby's OBP (.564) plus Parker, Miller and Self's ability to hit with power. Chamberlain gets on base 12% more than any of the players not mentioned above.

Batting one and two they get on base more and you win games by getting runners on base and driving them in.

Also opponents continue to somewhat defy baseball/softball logic by almost intentionally walking her to lead off games and with runners on the bases despite having to face Shelby after the free pass. Mystifying or unadulterated fear?

I suspect it's a combination of the fear and the fact that some pitchers and coaches don't want to go in the record books as the one who threw the pitch that Chamberlain hit to break the record. They might lose the game 10-0 but they if Lauren doesn't get a home run, they feel like it's some kind of victory for them.
 
OU has five games remaining in the regular season: N. Texas St., a pair in Norman against Utah Valley (who are they? - - I just checked, they are 16-36 on the year), and a pair against Oklahoma State, home and home. That would be probably a minimum of 4 at bats per game, so perhaps 20 more at bats in the regular season, against arguably weaker competition than she's been facing. I still believe that it is a matter of when, not if, Lauren gets the record-setter. I just wish that the opposition would pitch to her, instead of serving up four to six pitch walks...
 
SEC
1. Florida 16-4 47-4-----1
2. Auburn 16-5 44-8--------8
3. Alabama 14-7 38-11--------6
4. LSU 13-7 41-8------------3
4. Missouri 13-7 35-10-----------17
6. Georgia 14-9 39-13--------14
7. Tennessee 12-9 34-13-----12
8. Mississippi State 9-12 34-15
8. Texas A&M 9-12 34-17--------25
10. South Carolina 8-13 34-18
11. Mississippi 6-15 29-21
12. Kentucky 5-16 29-20----------19
13. Arkansas 1-20 16-32

Pacific Twelve
1. Oregon 16-2 41-5--------2
2. UCLA 14-3 40-8-------------7
3. Arizona 12-6 37-12------------16
4. Utah 11-10 33-16
5. Washington 8-9 37-13-------18
5. Arizona State 8-9 30-18--------22
7. California 7-11 34-13------------20
8. Oregon State 5-15 24-21
9. Stanford 1-17 16-32

Big Ten
1. Michigan 18-2 45-6------------4
2. Minnesota 15-3 41-8-----------10
3. Nebraska 15-5 29-19
4. Illinois 13-7 24-24
5. Northwestern 12-7 24-19
6. Rutgers 10-10 26-17
7. Ohio State 9-11 26-21
7. Penn State 9-11 27-24
9. Maryland 8-12 26-24
10. Purdue 7-11 29-21
10. Indiana 7-11 17-34
12. Iowa 7-13 16-37
13. Wisconsin 3-14 19-28
14. Michigan State 2-18 17-33

Big Twelve
1. Oklahoma 14-2 45-7--------5
2. Baylor 8-4 34-12------------13
3. Texas 7-5 32-14
4. Texas Tech 7-8 23-25
5. Kansas 5-7 35-10
6. Oklahoma State 3-10 19-27
7. Iowa State 2-10 23-23

ACC
1. Florida State 17-3 37-11---------11
2. North Carolina 15-4 33-11
3. Notre Dame 16-5 37-11-----------24
4. Louisville 12-5 24-14
5. North Carolina State 10-8 26-19
6. Pitt 10-11 30-16
7. Virginia Tech 8-9 32-13
8. Georgia Tech 6-15 16-31
9. Boston College 3-12 17-17
10. Virginia 4-17 15-36
11. Syracuse 1-13 17-25

NCAA Rankings in Bold
 
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SEC
1. Florida 16-4 47-4
2. Auburn 16-5 44-8
3. Alabama 14-7 38-11
4. LSU 13-7 41-8
4. Missouri 13-7 35-10
6. Georgia 14-9 39-13
7. Tennessee 12-9 34-13
8. Mississippi State 9-12 34-15
8. Texas A&M 9-12 34-17
10. South Carolina 8-13 34-18
11. Mississippi 6-15 29-21
12. Kentucky 5-16 29-20
13. Arkansas 1-20 16-32

Pacific Twelve
1. Oregon 16-2 41-5
2. UCLA 14-3 40-8
3. Arizona 12-6 37-12
4. Utah 11-10 33-16
5. Washington 8-9 37-13
5. Arizona State 8-9 30-18
7. California 7-11 34-13
8. Oregon State 5-15 24-21
9. Stanford 1-17 16-32

Big Ten
1. Michigan 18-2 45-6
2. Minnesota 15-3 41-8
3. Nebraska 15-5 29-19
4. Illinois 13-7 24-24
5. Northwestern 12-7 24-19
6. Rutgers 10-10 26-17
7. Ohio State 9-11 26-21
7. Penn State 9-11 27-24
9. Maryland 8-12 26-24
10. Purdue 7-11 29-21
10. Indiana 7-11 17-34
12. Iowa 7-13 16-37
13. Wisconsin 3-14 19-28
14. Michigan State 2-18 17-33

What happened to KY? Weren't they preseason Top 10 with Nunley as pitcher?

Looks like SEC will get at least 10 teams in tourney. PAC 12 will have 7 and B1G looks like only 3. Big 12 looks like 4. Not sure about ACC. Looks like they will have minimum of 4 but possibly could have 7? We have to win the remaining to stay in Top 8 seeds. Hope the KU loss didn't drop us out of Top 8.
 
Some will say I need to remove my crimson colored glasses, but I can hardly believe the second-guessing of Gasso for batting Lauren and Shelby in the 1-2 spots. First – and foremost – it typically will give our top two hitters an extra at-bat in most games. And when your first two batters more often than not reach base (or hit homeruns), it makes it a helluva lot more likely that Miller, Self, Georgia and the other bangers will have someone to drive home when they come to bat.

Sure, Lauren and Shelby would drive in those runs, maybe even more often than the others. But the problem is, it wouldn't happen as often because those other hitters wouldn't be on base as often as Ruth and Gehrig. It makes perfect sense to me, and I'd argue that the results speak for themselves.

By the way, syb: who's the No. 9 team on that list? In any case, I say it's a near certainty the Sooners host a regional and super regional barring a total collapse in the last two weeks.
 
Some will say I need to remove my crimson colored glasses, but I can hardly believe the second-guessing of Gasso for batting Lauren and Shelby in the 1-2 spots. First – and foremost – it typically will give our top two hitters an extra at-bat in most games. And when your first two batters more often than not reach base (or hit homeruns), it makes it a helluva lot more likely that Miller, Self, Georgia and the other bangers will have someone to drive home when they come to bat.

Sure, Lauren and Shelby would drive in those runs, maybe even more often than the others. But the problem is, it wouldn't happen as often because those other hitters wouldn't be on base as often as Ruth and Gehrig. It makes perfect sense to me, and I'd argue that the results speak for themselves.

By the way, syb: who's the No. 9 team on that list? In any case, I say it's a near certainty the Sooners host a regional and super regional barring a total collapse in the last two weeks.

I agree.

#9 is probably ULL (Louisiana - Lafayette)
 
Some will say I need to remove my crimson colored glasses, but I can hardly believe the second-guessing of Gasso for batting Lauren and Shelby in the 1-2 spots. First – and foremost – it typically will give our top two hitters an extra at-bat in most games. And when your first two batters more often than not reach base (or hit homeruns), it makes it a helluva lot more likely that Miller, Self, Georgia and the other bangers will have someone to drive home when they come to bat.

Sure, Lauren and Shelby would drive in those runs, maybe even more often than the others. But the problem is, it wouldn't happen as often because those other hitters wouldn't be on base as often as Ruth and Gehrig. It makes perfect sense to me, and I'd argue that the results speak for themselves.

By the way, syb: who's the No. 9 team on that list? In any case, I say it's a near certainty the Sooners host a regional and super regional barring a total collapse in the last two weeks.

I'm betting that if Patty was starting Lauren and Shelby in the 3 and 4 order, you and Tycat would disagree with anyone who suggested they should be in the 1 and 2 slots.

This isn't my first rodeo. :)
 
#9 is Louisiana-Lafayette, as Tycat says. But, they just got swept out in Oregon 8-0 (5), 10-2 (5), and 2-1. That kind of hurts their chances since they don't really play many decent teams. While they did beat Baylor in Louisiana, 3-1, and 12-2, it was at home. They have also lost to teams like Texas State, Troy, and South Alabama.
 
A sharply hit grounder on the second base side of shortstop was right at Parsons who was running on the pitch. She did a VERY quick leap up and the ball just went under her. It discombobulated the shortstop so that she couldnt make a play.Super quick reaction.
 
I'm betting that if Patty was starting Lauren and Shelby in the 3 and 4 order, you and Tycat would disagree with anyone who suggested they should be in the 1 and 2 slots.

This isn't my first rodeo. :)

:ez-laugh: And you and a couple of other posters would be griping 'cause they weren't batting in the 1-2 spots.

You're a good guy, Norm, and I'll always consider you a message board friend – even if you are hardly ever right about anything. :ez-laugh:
 
I think where Lauren hits in the order is complicated by her OBP (.584) and Shelby's OBP (.564) plus Parker, Miller and Self's ability to hit with power. Chamberlain gets on base 12% more than any of the players not mentioned above.

Batting one and two they get on base more and you win games by getting runners on base and driving them in.

Also opponents continue to somewhat defy baseball/softball logic by almost intentionally walking her to lead off games and with runners on the bases despite having to face Shelby after the free pass. Mystifying or unadulterated fear?


It's gonna be interesting to see what happens on Thursday in Denton. If Chamberlain doesn't hit the magic bomb at UNT, she'll have two (or is it 3?) home games this weekend. And I'm sure that there might be lynch mobs ready to pounce if the Utah Valley people start the gutless-wonder fest that started in Stillwater when it comes to walking her for no apparent reason than to prevent the "big fly."
 
She is going to hit the big fly - if not in the next five games (which I think she will) then in the NCAA when people will pitch to her. She walked 4 times on Sunday and score three of those times. It is a credit to her that she is not chasing pitches.

As for batting Lauren #1 and Shelby #2, this is not anything new. What people don't realize is that Lauren has stolen 39 bases out of 43 attempts. I thought the same thing in 2013 when Gasso hit Lauren as lead off. I was wrong and she was right.
 
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She is going to hit the big fly - if not in the next five games (which I think she will) then in the NCAA when people will pitch to her. She walked 4 times on Sunday and score three of those times. It is a credit to her that she is not chasing pitches.

As for batting Lauren #1 and Shelby #2, this is not anything new. What people don't realize is that Lauren has stolen 39 bases out of 43 attempts. I thought the same thing in 2013 when Gasso hit Lauren as lead off. I was wrong and she was right.

If I were an oppposing coach, this would be determinative to me.
 
Hard to argue with a hall of fame coach that's won two national championships. She's the best coach at OU and gets more out of kids than anyone. Lauren will get 91 just a matter of when. I think it's sad that coaches don't see how historic this is and respect her for how hard she has worked to accomplish this and just pitch to her. Especially if you have no chance of winning. We all know that winning is what it's about but it's sad what has happened over the past few games. Kansas couldn't have made it more obvious. Respect for Glenn Moore of Baylor for pitching to her and challenging her.
 
There's been a lot of research on lineup construction in baseball. Here's an article talking about some of it:

http://www.hardballtimes.com/constructing-lineups/

The more you look into an area like this, the more you can dispel myths that have been perpetuated for years, like putting a high stolen base guy at leadoff.

Interesting article in the attached link. The Book makes an interesting assessment about how to arrange a batting order. It is as follows:

The Book Says:
Your three best hitters should bat somewhere in the #1, #2 and #4 slots. Your fourth- and fifth-best hitters should occupy the #3 and #5 slots. The #1 and #2 slots will have players with more walks than those in the #4 and #5 slots. From slot #6 through #9, put the players in descending order of quality.

Patty's lineup totally complies with The Book's rrecommendations with the exception that an argument could be made whether Paige Parker or Erin Miller was the third best hitter. But for certain the 1-5 hitters comply to its recommendation.

For certain Patty's lineup does not meet the old school approach for constructing a lineup but obvious there is some basis for her approach which has been very successful as she leads the nation in scoring this year and in 2013 she was able to win the national championship with the same approach leading off with Lauren followed by Georgia (.343/39 BB) and Shelby (.357/43 BB).
 
Wednesday
Southeast Louisiana at #5 LSU
#9 Minnesota at Wisconsin
#9 Minnesota at wisconsin
Northern Iowa at #13 Missouri
Northern Iowa at #13 Missouri
Texas-San Antonio at #14 Baylor

Thursday
#4 Oklahoma at North Texas

Friday
#1 Florida 7 at #13 Missouri 6
#18 California 2 at #2 Oregon 5
Penn State 0 at #3 Michigan 8 (5)
#8 Auburn 2 at #5 LSU 1
#6 Alabama 9 at Arkansas 1
#17 Arizona 1 at #7 UCLA 9 (5)
Purdue 0 at #9 Minnesota 1
#21 Kentucky 1 at #12 Tennessee 7
#14 Baylor 4 at Kansas 2

Saturday
#1 Florida 9 at #13 Missouri 6
#18 California 0 at #2 Oregon 9 (5)
Penn State 1 at #3 Michigan 9 (6)
Utah Valley 0 at #4 Oklahoma 13 (5)
#8 Auburn 1 at #5 LSU 0
#6 Alabama 14 at Arkansas 2
#17 Arizona 3 at #7 UCLA 8
Purdue 2 at #9 Minnesota 3 (8)
Purdue 2 at #9 Minnesota 4
#11 Louisiana Lafayette 9 at Louisiana Monroe 3
#11 Louisiana Lafayette 20 at Louisiana Monroe 2 (5)
#21 Kentucky 5 at #12 Tennessee 6
#14 Baylor 6 at Kansas 1

Sunday
#1 Florida at #13 Missouri
#18 California at #2 Oregon
Penn State at #3 Michigan
Utah Valley at #4 Oklahoma
#8 Auburn at #5 LSU
#6 Alabama at Arkansas
#17 Arizona at #7 UCLA
Purdue at #9 Minnesota
North Florida at #10 Florida State
#11 Louisiana Lafayette at Louisiana Monroe
#21 Kentuckey at #12 Tennessee
#14 Baylor at Kansas
 
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It's gonna be interesting to see what happens on Thursday in Denton. If Chamberlain doesn't hit the magic bomb at UNT, she'll have two (or is it 3?) home games this weekend. And I'm sure that there might be lynch mobs ready to pounce if the Utah Valley people start the gutless-wonder fest that started in Stillwater when it comes to walking her for no apparent reason than to prevent the "big fly."

Little bit of an aside but an assistant coach on Utah Valley is Shelby Pendley's boyfriend. They made the NCAA last year but have no chance this year so they have nothing to gain by not pitching to Lauren and will be very Pro-OU.
 
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