Nick Thompson and Kyle Hardrick tidbits

[sharp1]

We need a shooting guard that can make some of them.bad.

G Min FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3% FT FTA FT%
K Walker: 34 1197 152 377 .403 38 112 .339 155 202 .767


J Ferdette: 33 1280 184 383 .480 52 136 382 116 137 .847


S Pledger: 32 961 118 285 .403 62 177 .350 63 74 .851


Alec Burke: 38 1193 251 535 .469 28 96 .292 249 302 .825


H Barnes: 37 1087 209 497 .421 67 195 .344 93 124 .750


A Freeman: 30 985 120 249 .482 26 85 .306 77 102 .755


S. Mack: 38 1219 201 493 .408 87 246 .354 120 156 .769


N Smith: 34 1025 98 230 .426 27 78 .346 62 73 .849


W Warren: 21 678 106 242 .438 30 97 .309 101 127 .795


The above is a this of stats of some other shooting guards when they were sophomores, looks like Pledger's stats were even or better then most of the guy's listed.

 

[sperry]

Tyler Neal plays 24 minutes and scores 16 points against Virginia.
Plays 12 minutes and gets 2 shots against Chaminade in the next game.
Plays 10 minutes and gets 2 shots against Arkansas the next game.
7 minutes, no shots the next game.
DNP vs Gardner-Webb
DNP vs ORU
DNP vs Cincy
11 minutes vs Sac State
DNP vs Central Arkansas
3 minutes vs Maryland Eastern Shore

So after playing a combined 21 minutes in the past 7 games, he starts and gets 12 minutes at both Texas A&M and Baylor.

He was just all over the place with Tyler Neal, Nick Thompson, Calvin Newell, etc. We would see them one game, and not see them again for a month. It wasnt just Thompson, it was Neal and Newell too.

He had no idea what he was doing.

He was all over the place because he was working iwth a bunch of freshman and sophomores tryign to find the right lineups.

When he had a team of players that had earned playing time, like in '08-'09, he ran a set lineup with players getting the same minutes every game. I think it's you who don't understand the dynamics.

 

[Dcox]

He played in 16 of our first 17 games (missing one because his grandmother died).

On January 11 he played 31 minutes against Baylor.
Our next game he played 3 minutes against Texas.

He then didn't see the floor again for the rest of the regular season.
As in, 13 consecutive games without playing.

During that time, TJ Franklin appeared in 3 games. Barry Honore appeared in 6 games.

I'm sure the 2 air balls and the olay defense he played in the Baylor game didn't help him.

 

[campbest]

G Min FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3% FT FTA FT%
K Walker: 34 1197 152 377 .403 38 112 .339 155 202 .767


J Ferdette: 33 1280 184 383 .480 52 136 382 116 137 .847


S Pledger: 32 961 118 285 .403 62 177 .350 63 74 .851


Alec Burke: 38 1193 251 535 .469 28 96 .292 249 302 .825


H Barnes: 37 1087 209 497 .421 67 195 .344 93 124 .750


A Freeman: 30 985 120 249 .482 26 85 .306 77 102 .755


S. Mack: 38 1219 201 493 .408 87 246 .354 120 156 .769


N Smith: 34 1025 98 230 .426 27 78 .346 62 73 .849


W Warren: 21 678 106 242 .438 30 97 .309 101 127 .795


The above is a this of stats of some other shooting guards when they were sophomores, looks like Pledger's stats were even or better then most of the guy's listed.

I'm a big Pledger fan (think he's going to find his swag under Kruger) but this comparison can't be serious.

Kemba - is a PG, has and always will be. Never claimed to be a shooter. Also had to share the floor with AJ Price freshman year and Jerome Dyson sophomore year, in fact, Kemba was more of a distributor last year due to Robinson and Dyson.

Jimmer - significantly better numbers across the board.

Alec Burks - First round pick (as a soph), possibly lotto. Pretty much spearheaded the turnaround at a dismal Colorado team under a first year coach.

Barnes - isn't even a sophomore, just finished his freshman year. Would have been a lotto pick had he come out.

Mack - fair comparison, statistically. Hope Pledge develops the type of skill, leadership and clutch shot making Mack did.

Freeman - has underachieved as a McDAA, but I think the system and multiple scoring options has hindered his #s.

Smith - Shared the backcourt with Gerald Henderson, Greg Paulus, Kyle Singler and Elliot Williams.

Warren - hurt all year.

Like I said, huge Pledge fan, hope he continues to develop and becomes the reliable shooter we need.

 

[Sooner04]

Players earn playing time in practice. They also get playing time if a matchup with the opposing team calls for their particular skills or not.

So, how do you explain Tyler Neal's lack of minutes in the Chaminade game? It was a day after the Virginia game, no time to practice, so what changed?

I'm more in the "in over his head" camp.

 

[sharp1]

I'm a big Pledger fan (think he's going to find his swag under Kruger) but this comparison can't be serious.

Kemba - is a PG, has and always will be. Never claimed to be a shooter. Also had to share the floor with AJ Price freshman year and Jerome Dyson sophomore year, in fact, Kemba was more of a distributor last year due to Robinson and Dyson.

Jimmer - significantly better numbers across the board.

Alec Burks - First round pick (as a soph), possibly lotto. Pretty much spearheaded the turnaround at a dismal Colorado team under a first year coach.

Barnes - isn't even a sophomore, just finished his freshman year. Would have been a lotto pick had he come out.

Mack - fair comparison, statistically. Hope Pledge develops the type of skill, leadership and clutch shot making Mack did.

Freeman - has underachieved as a McDAA, but I think the system and multiple scoring options has hindered his #s.

Smith - Shared the backcourt with Gerald Henderson, Greg Paulus, Kyle Singler and Elliot Williams.

Warren - hurt all year.

Like I said, huge Pledge fan, hope he continues to develop and becomes the reliable shooter we need.

Just showing the numbers...how he a sophomore was just as productive as anyone else and in some cases better

 

[OUhoops11]

So, how do you explain Tyler Neal's lack of minutes in the Chaminade game? It was a day after the Virginia game, no time to practice, so what changed?

I'm more in the "in over his head" camp.

My point was we have no idea why someone did or did not play in any given game. What if during shootaround, Tyler Neal couldn't remember or execute the game plan for Chaminade? What if he had missed curfew? What if his ankle was bothering him? What if the potential matchup against Chaminade was not good for Neal?


To say that Capel was in over his head based on what we saw for 2 hours during game situations is weak. JMHO

 

[sharp1]

I'm a big Pledger fan (think he's going to find his swag under Kruger) but this comparison can't be serious.

Kemba - is a PG, has and always will be. Never claimed to be a shooter. Also had to share the floor with AJ Price freshman year and Jerome Dyson sophomore year, in fact, Kemba was more of a distributor last year due to Robinson and Dyson.

Jimmer - significantly better numbers across the board.

Alec Burks - First round pick (as a soph), possibly lotto. Pretty much spearheaded the turnaround at a dismal Colorado team under a first year coach.

Barnes - isn't even a sophomore, just finished his freshman year. Would have been a lotto pick had he come out.

Mack - fair comparison, statistically. Hope Pledge develops the type of skill, leadership and clutch shot making Mack did.

Freeman - has underachieved as a McDAA, but I think the system and multiple scoring options has hindered his #s.

Smith - Shared the backcourt with Gerald Henderson, Greg Paulus, Kyle Singler and Elliot Williams.

Warren - hurt all year.

Like I said, huge Pledge fan, hope he continues to develop and becomes the reliable shooter we need.

Also i venture to say Ou was just as dismal or worse then Colorado

 

[campbest]

Just showing the numbers...how he a sophomore was just as productive as anyone else and in some cases better

I don't think he is clearly "better" than any of those guys as a sophomore. Especially given OU had no one to step up and shoot the ball well, we relied on Cade Davis many times. If Pledger was at the Kemba, Jimmer, Smith, etc. sophomore levels, his production would be much higher given the void in talent on OU's roster. Perfect example: Alec Burks. Roster (besides Higgins) is atrocious, he comes in and asserts himself, avgs 20+ ppg and is now about to get paid. Putting Pledger in that category is just funadamentally wrong in my opinion.

Also, CU was very respectable this year...mainly due to Burks. Was referencing the state of the program prior to Burks' arrival. OU was awful, needed someone like Pledger to step up. Still have confidence he will.

 

[Big Old Booger]

My point was we have no idea why someone did or did not play in any given game. What if during shootaround, Tyler Neal couldn't remember or execute the game plan for Chaminade? What if he had missed curfew? What if his ankle was bothering him? What if the potential matchup against Chaminade was not good for Neal?


To say that Capel was in over his head based on what we saw for 2 hours during game situations is weak. JMHO

I can agree with this. That's why I use his last 2 seasons as evidence A and B to my argument he was in over his head.

I could probably use some evidence from his first and 2nd season as evidence as well, but that would take a lot more argument than I'm wanting to do now that he's gone.

So, I'm resting my argument.

 

[scrybe]

I can agree with this. That's why I use his last 2 seasons as evidence A and B to my argument he was in over his head.

I could probably use some evidence from his first and 2nd season as evidence as well, but that would take a lot more argument than I'm wanting to do now that he's gone.

So, I'm resting my argument.

You're kidding, right Booger?

 

[Big Old Booger]

Tyler Neal plays 24 minutes and scores 16 points against Virginia.
Plays 12 minutes and gets 2 shots against Chaminade in the next game.
Plays 10 minutes and gets 2 shots against Arkansas the next game.
7 minutes, no shots the next game.
DNP vs Gardner-Webb
DNP vs ORU
DNP vs Cincy
11 minutes vs Sac State
DNP vs Central Arkansas
3 minutes vs Maryland Eastern Shore

So after playing a combined 21 minutes in the past 7 games, he starts and gets 12 minutes at both Texas A&M and Baylor.

He was just all over the place with Tyler Neal, Nick Thompson, Calvin Newell, etc. We would see them one game, and not see them again for a month. It wasnt just Thompson, it was Neal and Newell too.

He had no idea what he was doing.

You can add CJ Washington into that, too. He was a big part of our 4 game winning streak, then he hardly got any minutes after that.

 

[Big Old Booger]

You're kidding, right Booger?

No, I really don't want to get back into his first 2 seasons...

In fact, I have tried to bury the hatchet about Capel and I told myself I wasn't going to get into bashing him. But, I think agreeing his substitution pattern was a good sign he was in over his head isn't really bashing him. I certainly wish no ill will on him and hope he does well wherever he goes. As I've maintained all along, most of my angst was aimed at Joe for making the hire, but he's redeemed himself by getting Lon as far as I'm concerned.

 

[scrybe]

I really was just messing with you Booger. Guess I should have included the :ez-laugh: icon.

 

[OUhoops11]

You can add CJ Washington into that, too. He was a big part of our 4 game winning streak, then he hardly got any minutes after that.

WRONG. CJ's minutes from the first game of the four game winning streak and after

9
8
18 (OT)
11

12
9
12
7
11
6
18
25

 

[okienole3]

Capel's substitution patterns were off during his entire tenure at OU.

 

[Dem Coltz]

I'm 24 years old. I made the most of my full ride to OU, and it always shocks me when others don't do the same.


Also, he wasn't mocked by fans and students on a daily basis, because no one knew he was, and frankly no one cared. He wasn't hyped when he got here, and he was just an another anonymous student athlete at the school. People have to have expectations for you in order for you to be mocked and derided, and aside from a very small subset of mean spirited people who post on message boards, he didn't receive any of that treatment.

You would have to be a fool to be "shocked" that a person with talent/opportunity was capable of wasting that talent/opportunity. It happens literally every day in every possible aspect of life. You're an athlete yet you rarely saw others not live up to their potential, or waste a chance they'd been given? Oh, and no one cares what you did with your life except you, stop being self-righteous when judging others. "I did it this way and succeeded, and I couldn't imagine anyone doing anything else. Frankly it's shocking everyone doesn't make the most of their opportunity as I did. Did I mention I did?"

You should go back into this message board archives and then say he wasn't hyped. Student athletes who play bball or football (esp bball) are rarely anonymous student-athletes, especially those 6'8'' with flaming red hair. What are you saying he blends in? Lol. If you think students and fans who know about bball weren't mocking him and deriding his game just as much as the people on this board then you don't understand human nature. Check a game thread when he played significant minutes for shat's sake.

 

[soonernutt]

I guess the question would then be who is available at this point? I think at this point the team has several needs, and maybe the biggest one is just adding talent...if you can't fill specific position needs, then add talent...it looks like 2012 and 2013 could be good years for OU recruiting at a number of positions...

That is the biggest point to be made. There aren't really any silver bullet recruits at this point for the coming season. What LK has done is look at the roster, get rid of non-performers, and bring in guys to balance out the team.

We have more depth and balance than we've had the last two year, and though it doesn't seem we have great players across the board, competition could spur improvement. Pledger and Newell could push each other. Same for Blair and Grooms. Neal will push for some PT. Aren't won't likely start, but having more depth in the post means anything from giving having your starters rested more to having more fouls to give. These are important factors.

I'm not expecting miracles this year, but I think we are set up to be more consistent and a little more solid overall, so we'll see what happens. We will all be very interested, though, in recruiting for 2012, as we will be returning alot of upper-classmen and bringing in M'Baye. Working in a solid freshman or two could spell a special year.

 

[coolm]

good post nutt.

 

[cowboysooner]

nutt knows the truth.