Officiating

[Zimwillett]

They didn't miss the violation. It was a fraction of a second. They are listening for the horn and no way a ref could distinguish that 1/10 of a second that could only be identified by a still frame replay. No ref can be looking at the shooters hand and the shot clock light simultaneously. Anybody who watches NBA basketball sees this all the time. Never EVER is a call that close called live.

Why it's not subject to review I don't know.

You keep making the point that it was impossible for the refs to discern the violation in real time. I disagree. The television announcers immediately observed, without the benefit of replay, that the shot did not get off in time. So while it may have been a bang bang play, it certainly wasn't impossible for someone to notice the violation in real time. Honestly, I'd hope that 3 referees who are paid to notice these kinds of things would be at least as observant as a C Team ESPN analyst.

Further, if this really is such a difficult call to make, it only strengthens the case for expanded replay.

 

[campbest]

I am not Ada but Buddy beat him to the ball and got the ball clean. The KSU player hit his arm causing the arms to get tangled. I say foul on KSU. If Buddy had taken a Marcus Smart dive when his arm gets hit, who gets the foul?

Even if you disagree with me, I don't see a flagrant foul unless all contact above the shoulders is flagrant by rule. He played the ball and the guys got tangled up.

Under your scenario, lets say, they initially call the foul on KSU. However, you still have contact above the shoulders, after a ball has become dead...ruling then is, foul on KSU, dead ball contact foul on Buddy. Result, KSU still gets two free throws and the ball. Either way the ruling is the same on OU.

Do some research instead of just assuming.

 

[campbest]

On the shot clock violation, not only did they miss the violation, he also clearly traveled to get the shot off.

Actually he didn't, in that situation (and I just watched the video 10 times) your only two options are 1.) left leg is the pivot foot or 2.) jump stop, so either leg can become the pivot. He stepped through with his right, therefore no travel regardless of what option he chose. Shot clock violation was blown.

 

[bocabull]

Further, if this really is such a difficult call to make, it only strengthens the case for expanded replay.

100% agree with this. It's been proven the benefit of instant replay is overwhelming when it comes to the 3 point line and shot clock violations. It's impossible for the refs to be certain on these easy to review calls and the formula to review at the next dead ball does not interfere with the game flow.

It's simple for an announcer or fan to "think" a violation has occurred when it's close but more difficult for an official to be "certain" and make the call in a split second. Shot clock violations are pretty rare. They should change this rule.

 

[snydrosooner]

Under your scenario, lets say, they initially call the foul on KSU. However, you still have contact above the shoulders, after a ball has become dead...ruling then is, foul on KSU, dead ball contact foul on Buddy. Result, KSU still gets two free throws and the ball. Either way the ruling is the same on OU.

Do some research instead of just assuming.

What I see in OU games especially but also other games is players will push off with a forearm around the chest area and then the arm slides up into the neck face area. Woodard does this a lot. The intent is not to hit the other player in the face.

Flagrant foul should have some intent to it, or you can call one on every other drive to the basket or attempted shot block on a dunk.

On Spangler's 4th foul, I still don't get how that wasn't reviewed for the K State player flipping him. He went out of his way to throw Spangler off of him. In other words more then a basketball move. Spangler may have fouled, but so did the K-State player which would make that a Technical as after the foul call as you mentioned above.

 

[campbest]

On Spangler's 4th foul, I still don't get how that wasn't reviewed for the K State player flipping him. He went out of his way to through Spangler off of him. In other words more then a basketball move. Spangler may have fouled, but so did the K-State player which would make that a Technical as after the foul call as you mentioned above.

I agree with this, the official called the foul on Spangler (which he did foul first) too late, so the flip happened during a live ball. If it would have been called when it occured, you would have a dead ball contact foul. KSU would have shot their one and one, then OU would have received two shots and the ball.

To be fair, this is how Spangler plays...he likes to muck it up. If he played for OSU or someone else, we would despise him. Amazingly he has avoided foul trouble most of the year, wasn't the case Saturday whether that be deserved or not.

 

[AltSooner33]

Actually he didn't, in that situation (and I just watched the video 10 times) your only two options are 1.) left leg is the pivot foot or 2.) jump stop, so either leg can become the pivot. He stepped through with his right, therefore no travel regardless of what option he chose. Shot clock violation was blown.

Actually he did. If you don't see it I don't know how.

 

[DenverSooner]

Under your scenario, lets say, they initially call the foul on KSU. However, you still have contact above the shoulders, after a ball has become dead...ruling then is, foul on KSU, dead ball contact foul on Buddy. Result, KSU still gets two free throws and the ball. Either way the ruling is the same on OU.

Do some research instead of just assuming.

Incidental contact caused by players getting tangled up is not a foul. It happens all game long with no whistle.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Actually he didn't, in that situation (and I just watched the video 10 times) your only two options are 1.) left leg is the pivot foot or 2.) jump stop, so either leg can become the pivot. He stepped through with his right, therefore no travel regardless of what option he chose. Shot clock violation was blown.

it was a clear travel ... as was hurt's drive for a dunk .. neither are in doubt

 

[MsProudSooner]

Incidental contact caused by players getting tangled up is not a foul. It happens all game long with no whistle.

A whistle was called this time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNwcw21NAdU

I couldn't locate a video of Ryan's flip to compare it to.

 

[DenverSooner]

A whistle was called this time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNwcw21NAdU

I couldn't locate a video of Ryan's flip to compare it to.

That is a tad bit different than Buddy's play.

 

[MsProudSooner]

That is a tad bit different than Buddy's play.

But it's very similar to Ryan's 4th foul.