Officiating

I disagree about things evening out over the long haul. I think the teams with the most passionate home crowd will almost always get the beneficiary of some good calls. For example, does anyone actually think things are evened out when it comes to Duke or Kansas? When have either of those schools been hosed by the refs?
It's a karmic thing with me. My family never misses an opportunity to ***** about officiating, so I tend to take the other side of things. And my long haul is a REALLY long haul.

For instance, 2006 Oregon. A screw job if there ever was one. The next year, in Tucson, their QB tears up his knee, untouched, when they were undefeated and #2. To me, that was karma coming back to bite em in they ass.

You referenced the 2006 KU game in Lawrence. That was an all-timer. What they got away with over the last eight minutes was downright criminal. Later that season, we win four consecutive games by a point. To me, that's evening out because I remember Bookout mugging a guy at the end of the KState game in Norman, and we ALL remember the Eaton and Sutton flops at the end of the O-State game a few days later.

I know I'm in the minority here, but I'll get over the officiating last night pretty quick. I'm much more apt to bemoan the missed rebounds. Some complain about officiating in our wins, and that just blows my mind.

To each his own, and let's beat Texas.
 
It's a karmic thing with me. My family never misses an opportunity to ***** about officiating, so I tend to take the other side of things. And my long haul is a REALLY long haul.

For instance, 2006 Oregon. A screw job if there ever was one. The next year, in Tucson, their QB tears up his knee, untouched, when they were undefeated and #2. To me, that was karma coming back to bite em in they ass.

You referenced the 2006 KU game in Lawrence. That was an all-timer. What they got away with over the last eight minutes was downright criminal. Later that season, we win four consecutive games by a point. To me, that's evening out because I remember Bookout mugging a guy at the end of the KState game in Norman, and we ALL remember the Eaton and Sutton flops at the end of the O-State game a few days later.

I know I'm in the minority here, but I'll get over the officiating last night pretty quick. I'm much more apt to bemoan the missed rebounds. Some complain about officiating in our wins, and that just blows my mind.

To each his own, and let's beat Texas.

I just wish Karma applied to the Patriots lol
 
As I posted earlier the officiating was really bad last night, however it's not the only reason we lost. Had we played better on the offensive end and/or gotten some key defensive rebounds we win the game regardless of officiating.

But we didn't so we lost. I think it's fair to say if a few of those horrific calls were not made, even just one of the last 2 fouls on Spangler then we probably win. However, I question why Lon put him back in the game at the 8 minute mark. Why not the 3 or 4 minute mark?

I also question the mass substitution at the 16 minute mark when we have a 6 point lead? He took out Cousins, Thomas, and I think Hield. They tied the game and when he finally got the regular guys back in the crowd was alive and then it went south from there.

Depth is killing us and will be our bugaboo the rest of the year. Part of that is due to the craphole program Kruger inherited and part of that is probably due to the fact he doesn't bend rules in recruiting. So, I can live with it because of that. Every year the depth has gotten better than it was with the exception of M'Baye leaving. Next year we should be past the depth issues but a lot of youth.
 
But we didn't so we lost. I think it's fair to say if a few of those horrific calls were not made, even just one of the last 2 fouls on Spangler then we probably win. However, I question why Lon put him back in the game at the 8 minute mark. Why not the 3 or 4 minute mark?

I also question the mass substitution at the 16 minute mark when we have a 6 point lead? He took out Cousins, Thomas, and I think Hield. They tied the game and when he finally got the regular guys back in the crowd was alive and then it went south from there.

Depth is killing us and will be our bugaboo the rest of the year. Part of that is due to the craphole program Kruger inherited and part of that is probably due to the fact he doesn't bend rules in recruiting. So, I can live with it because of that. Every year the depth has gotten better than it was with the exception of M'Baye leaving. Next year we should be past the depth issues but a lot of youth.
1. He's an upperclassman, so he deserves the benefit of the doubt to avoid the fifth. He did that, but the officials got him.

2. It's been a point throughout our winning streak to get subs in early in the halves so our guys are fresher at the end. Lattin has been coming in within a minute or two of the opening horn for quite a while.

3. Time to stop talking about the previous regime. We lost 15-20 minutes of depth because Hornbeak was an idiot and we lost 10-15 minutes of depth because of the Buford eligibility snafu.

If I never read the name Capel on here again......
 
I don't think anyone thinks officiating was the only reason we lost last night -- I certainly don't. But every team will have a so-so outing now and then, especially on the road. And if the other team has a good game on the night you have a so-so one, you're likely to lose and all you can really do is tip your hat to them.

But that's not what happened last night. KSU didn't have a good game. They shot 26.5 percent. They made a total of 13 baskets. Without the help of the officials -- not just the 18 additional free throws, but the fouls KSU got away with, the three-point shot that wasn't, the questionable out-of-bounds calls, the unearned negating of Spangler -- they simply don't win, even with us playing a so-so game.

And I think what many who lean toward never (or rarely) blaming the officials is that the impact of one-sided, inept officiating can't only be measured strictly by the final stats. It can (and I think, often does) impact how the team being leaned on plays. It impacts how they play defense (how could it not, as the fouls pile up), it impacts how ferociously they rebound (ditto), it can cause them to force it on offense, as each possession takes on greater importance (the sense of playing 5-on-8 can't help but create a bit of panic).

In citing these effects, I'm speaking of extreme cases, which most agree last night was -- not your average game when a call or three might not have gone the way you think it should.

And for most of the last night's game, the disparity in fouls was greater than it was at game's end, and I know many would say, "What matters is the final totals." I say that's wrong. A few make-up calls down the stretch may help a bit, but the team benefiting from the one-sided officiating for 30-35 minutes comes out way ahead. Having the officials on your side (or having it feel as if they are) keeps that team (especially if it's the lesser of the two squads) feeling as if they have a shot, when they might not have otherwise (especially a team on a five-game losing streak), and all those free throws keep them within striking distance. And benefiting from questionable calls gives them the mindset, "Hey, this is our night." I can't imagine Hurt didn't feel that way when he slung Spangler to the floor and was "punished" by Ryan heading to the bench with his fourth foul.

In short, that kind of officiating bolsters one team's spirits while (potentially, at least) creating a sense of panic for the other. I agree that, ideally, our team should be able to overcome that, but when the officials are favoring one team to an exceptional degree, as most agree they were last night, that's asking a lot.

KSU didn't come out and punch us in the nose, they didn't take control of the game on their own, even though they were at home. The only reason they were even in the game was the free throws. And one could argue that the only reason they were in a position to hold us off down the stretch (which, to their credit, they did) was the helping hand they had received in the first 35 minutes of the game.
 
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What Skyvue said.

KSU played decent defense, but they, without appropriate penalty, mugged the Sooners all night.When our guys tried to play in kind, they were called with fouls, resulting in KSU camping at the free throw line, and a growing sense of frustration for the good guys. Had to have an accumulating negative effect, ie, poor shooting percentage, turnovers, frustration fouls, loss of key playing time, especially Spangler, etc., on the Sooner's as the game progressed.

With what was on the line, I have to say I'm surprised that the KSU approach to physical play didn't result in some unwise physical retaliation by the Sooners. I'm glad it didn't happen, and I attribute that self dicipline to being a well-coached team.
 
The officiating was awful. That said, we lost the game because we started 1-15 from beyond the arc and couldn't get a defensive rebound when we needed to. I can't blame those two issues on the officials.

Yes. It does no good to complain about the officiating. That is life on the road, and sometimes at home. To ever truly compete for a Big-12 Championship, OU must be able to overcome tough calls and tough shooting nights. Becoming stronger on the defensive boards and getting a bigger share of loose balls would go a long way to getting wins in some of these close games.

This will not be the last time that tough calls will go against the Sooners. Regardless of the officiating, OU needs to get better.

BEAT TEXAS
 
For real, he is related to Self?

I may have received bad intel here.

When I get to my office tomorrow I will do my own genealogy search to confirm since I forgot my ancestry.com pw.
 
Yes. It does no good to complain about the officiating. That is life on the road, and sometimes at home. To ever truly compete for a Big-12 Championship, OU must be able to overcome tough calls and tough shooting nights. Becoming stronger on the defensive boards and getting a bigger share of loose balls would go a long way to getting wins in some of these close games.

This will not be the last time that tough calls will go against the Sooners. Regardless of the officiating, OU needs to get better.

BEAT TEXAS

+1
 
Yes. It does no good to complain about the officiating. That is life on the road, and sometimes at home. To ever truly compete for a Big-12 Championship, OU must be able to overcome tough calls and tough shooting nights. Becoming stronger on the defensive boards and getting a bigger share of loose balls would go a long way to getting wins in some of these close games.

This will not be the last time that tough calls will go against the Sooners. Regardless of the officiating, OU needs to get better.

BEAT TEXAS

I think what happened the other night was more than just "tough calls". I'm admittedly a hater of officials and their inconsistency, but many complaining about the other night are not. It was really bad the other night, to ignore that fact is just naive.
 
1. He's an upperclassman, so he deserves the benefit of the doubt to avoid the fifth. He did that, but the officials got him.

2. It's been a point throughout our winning streak to get subs in early in the halves so our guys are fresher at the end. Lattin has been coming in within a minute or two of the opening horn for quite a while.

3. Time to stop talking about the previous regime. We lost 15-20 minutes of depth because Hornbeak was an idiot and we lost 10-15 minutes of depth because of the Buford eligibility snafu.

If I never read the name Capel on here again......

I hear what you are saying, however it's still having an impact. This should be the last year it will have an impact though. It is what it is.
 
Yes I am I graduated from undergrad in 1990 and law school in 1993.

Why would someone lie about something like being an attorney?

I agree - they might deny it but they wouldn't claim to be one if it were not true. :ez-laugh:
 
I think what happened the other night was more than just "tough calls". I'm admittedly a hater of officials and their inconsistency, but many complaining about the other night are not. It was really bad the other night, to ignore that fact is just naive.

Exactly! Most everyone complaining is agreeing OU did not play well at all and normally in college basketball there is a little home cooking. But this was not a normal couple tough calls that go in the home teams favor. Despite how OU played, they win the game fairly easily if the game wasn't so horribly officiated. But oh well, it is what it is now, nothing can be done now except beating the hell out of Texas again! :fexas-logo:
 
I hear what you are saying, however it's still having an impact. This should be the last year it will have an impact though. It is what it is.

We said the same thing last year.

I get that the Buford situation was tough, but it's LK's job to have a roster in place that gives us depth. Signing a guy that isn't eligible, one that is so raw he must redshirt, and giving a scholarship to a kid that shouldn't be on scholarship (Cole) certainly doesn't the depth, unless your other 10 guys are pretty darn good.
 
Sad to have such a long thread pertaining to whining about the officials. As WT said it makes us sound like aggies. We played like crap and deserved to lose.

Sure the officials made a couple mistakes, but our coaches and players made 10 times as many blunders as the officials. We shoot 9% from 3 in the first half which puts us behind the 8 ball but the officials are expected to be 100% accurate or they "robbed" us? Sour grapes.
 
Sad to have such a long thread pertaining to whining about the officials. As WT said it makes us sound like aggies. We played like crap and deserved to lose.

Sure the officials made a couple mistakes, but our coaches and players made 10 times as many blunders as the officials. We shoot 9% from 3 in the first half which puts us behind the 8 ball but the officials are expected to be 100% accurate or they "robbed" us? Sour grapes.

As Harry Potter would say, HORSE HOCKEY! No one expects officials to be 100% correct. All people are asking for is some consistency and the ability to call a shot clock violation correctly. If they guys wearing the striped shirts can't manage that, we might as well let an assistant coach from each team officiate the games.
 
Sad to have such a long thread pertaining to whining about the officials. As WT said it makes us sound like aggies. We played like crap and deserved to lose.

Sure the officials made a couple mistakes, but our coaches and players made 10 times as many blunders as the officials. We shoot 9% from 3 in the first half which puts us behind the 8 ball but the officials are expected to be 100% accurate or they "robbed" us? Sour grapes.

I agree except that I would say had the officiating been a little better, OU might have won with the poor play. Ultimately, it is on the players and the only player with a real beef is probably Spangler. I really think he got screwed on two or three of his fouls.
 
Sad to have such a long thread pertaining to whining about the officials. As WT said it makes us sound like aggies. We played like crap and deserved to lose.

Sure the officials made a couple mistakes, but our coaches and players made 10 times as many blunders as the officials. We shoot 9% from 3 in the first half which puts us behind the 8 ball but the officials are expected to be 100% accurate or they "robbed" us? Sour grapes.

Weren't we ahead at the half?
 
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