Officiating

[DenverSooner]

Spangler's third and fourth fouls are ridiculous. If Spangler fouled Hurt before Hurt through him to the ground, it was. The same thing as Hield and Foster. Hurt gotto the ball first.

This is followed with a weak fourth foul on Lattin.

 

[DenverSooner]

Spangler had position is pushed and is called for a foul.

 

[WTSooner]

I'm really kicking myself that I've missed 6,000 of your posts. :facepalm

The guy is an attorney. He needs to know how to spell flagrant.

 

[MsProudSooner]

Then there were a lot of questionable games yesterday.

KU took 11 more FT's than Baylor.
ISU took 18 more FT's than WVU (18, where have I seen that number?).
TCU took 12 more FT's than OSU.
UT took 16 more FT's than TT.

And of course KSU took 18 more than OU.

It's pretty ridiculous to say anything more than a 10 shot difference is questonable, when ALL FIVE BIG 12 GAMES YESTERDAY had at least an 11 shot difference.

Guessing if I looked around the country, you'd see the same thing.

It's whining from our fans, plain and simple.

Or perhaps the question should be why do we never see the same favorable discrepancy at home that other teams do.

 

[WTSooner]

Or perhaps the question should be why do we never see the same favorable discrepancy at home that other teams do.

It's probably not as "bad" as you think it is.

But even if it is, do you really think it's some widespread conspiracy against OU? And if it's not that, what is the point in getting upset about it? Sorry, this just isn't a line of thinking I can get behind. And those of you that have been online with me for years and years know I've been consistent with this message.

 

[Zimwillett]

Then there were a lot of questionable games yesterday.

KU took 11 more FT's than Baylor.
ISU took 18 more FT's than WVU (18, where have I seen that number?).
TCU took 12 more FT's than OSU.
UT took 16 more FT's than TT.

And of course KSU took 18 more than OU.

It's pretty ridiculous to say anything more than a 10 shot difference is questonable, when ALL FIVE BIG 12 GAMES YESTERDAY had at least an 11 shot difference.

Guessing if I looked around the country, you'd see the same thing.

It's whining from our fans, plain and simple.

The amusing part is the HOME TEAM was the beneficiary in every single one of those games. Home teams shot 75 more free throws than their opponents yesterday and not coincidentally, went 5-0 including two fairly major upsets.

I know home court/field advantage exists in sport, but I can't think of another where this level of manifest unfairness based on geography is just accepted as "part of it". Oh well. I guess I should just get on board and pray that the circle of awful continues Tuesday night. Here's hoping OU gets a 10-20 free throw advantage over the Longhorns.

 

[MsProudSooner]

The amusing part is the HOME TEAM was the beneficiary in every single one of those games. Home teams shot 75 more free throws than their opponents yesterday and not coincidentally, went 5-0 including two fairly major upsets.

I know home court/field advantage exists in sport, but I can't think of another where this level of manifest unfairness based on geography is just accepted as "part of it". Oh well. I guess I should just get on board and pray that the circle of awful continues Tuesday night. Here's hoping OU gets a 10-20 free throw advantage over the Longhorns.

Based on the previous games this year, I won't hold my breath.

 

[sdcloud9]

It's probably not as "bad" as you think it is.

But even if it is, do you really think it's some widespread conspiracy against OU? And if it's not that, what is the point in getting upset about it? Sorry, this just isn't a line of thinking I can get behind. And those of you that have been online with me for years and years know I've been consistent with this message.

I agree with your take on officiating and I don't believe in officiating conspiracies.

I will say that OU wasn't fouling in the last few minutes to stop the clock and lengthen the game that happens a lot in these games that creates the free throw discrepancy.

So I do believe the 18 more free throws for K-State was a bit unusual.

 

[DenverSooner]

The guy is an attorney. He needs to know how to spell flagrant.

I do know how to spel flagrant. I just don't care on a message board.

 

[campbest]

Or perhaps the question should be why do we never see the same favorable discrepancy at home that other teams do.

We've had +10 disparity in our favor this year....just go look. I only got to see the second half and it appeared the refs didn't have a great game. Spangler's 5th was terrible and the shot clock violation was also bad.

With all of that said, OU looked equally as bad. It's amazing we were close given how many terribly contested jump shots we took the second half...banking incorner threes to just stay close. In OU's losses it's been the same situation all year...inability to get quality looks in the half court.

 

[DenverSooner]

First half officiating was bad. Spangler fouling out was horrible. However I don't really think that is why OU lost. Cold from three point range, too many missed easy shots, a few unforced turn overs, and poor energy hurt OU. When you add in the free throw attempts for KSU it is going to be a loss most of te time.

About the only positive is that even when virtually everything goes bad, it was still a pne possession game.

 

[campbest]

About the only positive is that even when virtually everything goes bad, it was still a pne possession game.

Loss sucks, but this is a bigger positive than most realize.

 

[Sooner04]

The guy is an attorney. He needs to know how to spell flagrant.

No way on God's green Earth is Denver an attorney. He's pulling your leg.

I'm never one to criticize officiating because I feel it ALL evens out over time. I remember us defending the calls against Purdue in the fall of 2008. We shot 46 free throws, they shot five. You'll have games where you think you were rooked and games where your opponent feels hoodwinked.

That said, I think we're owed one after last night, and I tend to needle those who gnash their teeth over the striped shirts. I thought it was pretty rough.

 

[POBR25]

No way on God's green Earth is Denver an attorney. He's pulling your leg.

I'm never one to criticize officiating because I feel it ALL evens out over time. I remember us defending the calls against Purdue in the fall of 2008. We shot 46 free throws, they shot five. You'll have games where you think you were rooked and games where your opponent feels hoodwinked.

That said, I think we're owed one after last night, and I tend to needle those who gnash their teeth over the striped shirts. I thought it was pretty rough.

First game I thought of after last night. At the time, I remember thinking Purdue got hosed. But I took it, and just chalked it up as a sign that the season was probably going to be special.

 

[OklahomaLibertarian]

No way on God's green Earth is Denver an attorney. He's pulling your leg.

I'm never one to criticize officiating because I feel it ALL evens out over time. I remember us defending the calls against Purdue in the fall of 2008. We shot 46 free throws, they shot five. You'll have games where you think you were rooked and games where your opponent feels hoodwinked.

That said, I think we're owed one after last night, and I tend to needle those who gnash their teeth over the striped shirts. I thought it was pretty rough.

I think it's just that the only reason K-State was even in the game was because of the free throws, and it's not ONLY the disparity, as there were particular fake calls to go along with that disparity. We basically blew them out, were it not for the zebras.

Spangler's last two were what I like to call - phantoms - the ref just felt like calling a foul to appease the home crowd and gave the "foul" randomly to whoever they picked. They also did this too Latin - KSU went inside and a shot went up so there must be a foul - we'll just give it to this guy - he looks silly with that hair so he must have fouled someone!

Sigh.. oh well.. The game's over and now we move on to Tejas.

 

[TINY]

Loss sucks, but this is a bigger positive than most realize.

Imo, there are literally 0 positives to take away from this abortion of a game, ksu isn't a good team. We should beat them even with the garbage refs.

Refs should be canned. Kelly self the worst official of the bunch is of relation to Bill, so we shouldn't be surprised.

We still lost another close one, and Kruger is becoming more of a bum down the stretch (whether it's close games, late season games, or tourney games) than Scott Brooks, and that is really saying something.

 

[MsProudSooner]

It's hard to judge based on stats alone, without watching the game. There was a recent women's game where 30 fouls were called on one team and only single digit fouls on the opponent. But the team with fewer fouls played zone exclusively

 

[WaymanFan]

I've only blamed the officials for two losses in my 40 years as an OU hoops fan - the '88 title game and the 2006 loss in Lawrence. As I mentioned earlier, I believe we lost because we started 1-15 from 3-point range and we couldn't get a defensive rebound when it mattered most. With all that said, the refs still sucked. I'm at a loss as to how anyone could think they did anything close to an admirable job last night.

 

[DenverSooner]

No way on God's green Earth is Denver an attorney. He's pulling your leg.

Yes I am I graduated from undergrad in 1990 and law school in 1993.

Why would someone lie about something like being an attorney?

 

[WaymanFan]

I'm never one to criticize officiating because I feel it ALL evens out over time. I remember us defending the calls against Purdue in the fall of 2008. We shot 46 free throws, they shot five. You'll have games where you think you were rooked and games where your opponent feels hoodwinked.

I'm not making this up, but there were actually some OU fans who were still complaining about the officiating in that game against Purdue. Yes, Purdue fans had a right to believe they got hosed in that game.

I disagree about things evening out over the long haul. I think the teams with the most passionate home crowd will almost always get the beneficiary of some good calls. For example, does anyone actually think things are evened out when it comes to Duke or Kansas? When have either of those schools been hosed by the refs?