Olukemi out for year

If you are OSU, you don't make it to the Fiesta Bowl without having to "sell your soul" in another area of athletics. :)
 
They are done. I bet they win 4 games this year in the Big 12.
 
Wow.

Did Travis Ford put him back in the game with a torn ACL?
 
Wow! Just when you thought it couldn't get much worse for OSU, it does. Olukemi has not been his old self this season. But he was definitely capable. His experience and leadership is a huge loss.
 
Tony said:
Wow.

Did Travis Ford put him back in the game with a torn ACL?
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Yep. I watched the game. He went out, came back in and pulled up lame a short time later. I was surprised to see him come back so soon, and so were the announcers.

One has to wonder if that was a mistake that could prove costly? Did a slight tear become a full blown ACL injury that put Olukemi out for the season? I doubt if we'll ever know the answer to those questions.
 
knee injuries and head injuries are two no nos for re entering a game until doctor's are testings. Every coach generally does that.
 
Wow, I constantly heard from my OSU friends about how the basketball team would surprise everyone. Turns out they were right.
 
I'm under the impression that it's tough to make most knee injuries worse. I've heard more than once, generally in the football world, that if the kid can deal with the pain, and he can be effective, there is no real reason not to play him.

Just throwin' that out there.
 
DM said:
knee injuries and head injuries are two no nos for re entering a game until doctor's are testings. Every coach generally does that.
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First and foremost, Olukemi's knee was tested numerous times by the team trainer and most likely the team physician. You could see the tests being performed initially while he was still on the court. And certainly they were administered numerous times in the locker room before he came back into the game. However, those tests are not conclusive until an MRI is performed. Some people have "loose" ligaments or have abnormally strong calf/thigh muscles that can make the tests difficult to interpret.


Regardless, inserting Olukemi back into the game was not a "no no". And the possibility that he actually tore the ACL after returning to the game is extremely, extremely small. The damage was done with the first non-contact injury.


There are certain athletes who can compete with torn ACLs. Look at Phillip Rivers and even Jason White to an extent. It happens in other sports, such as soccer, even more often. It does not make the injury any worse.
 
I mean if that's the case, why is he out for the year it he's ok to play. It's contradicting to say injuries cant get worst but then he's out for the year. Since I am a semester from a Kinesiology degree, i can speak on this with some authority. To tear an ACL is tested by the range of motion in the knee. If your knee moves in degrees its not suppose to or in the sagital plane, there is something wrong. It's a pretty easy test. Obviously there was a misevaluation by the training staff or a haste to put him back into a close game. Trainers or doctors generally have the authority in this decision because ther liscense is on the line. So it either played out they screwed up in the first evaluation or they were pressured by the coach.
 
OUhoops11 has the training and the background to speak from a position of authority on this matter. But, I, too, am totally confused by the implication that a ligament strain or partial tear is not worse than a full-blown ACL. We don't know that is what happened in Olukemi's case. But we do know that he went out for a short time after injuring his knee and came back in again. We also know that he was not out of the game long enough for thorough tests to be performed.

I'm not saying that anyone is wrong or right here. I'm just saying that at least part of what has been said makes no sense to me.
 
OUhoops11 said:
First and foremost, Olukemi's knee was tested numerous times by the team trainer and most likely the team physician. You could see the tests being performed initially while he was still on the court. And certainly they were administered numerous times in the locker room before he came back into the game. However, those tests are not conclusive until an MRI is performed. Some people have "loose" ligaments or have abnormally strong calf/thigh muscles that can make the tests difficult to interpret.


Regardless, inserting Olukemi back into the game was not a "no no". And the possibility that he actually tore the ACL after returning to the game is extremely, extremely small. The damage was done with the first non-contact injury.


There are certain athletes who can compete with torn ACLs. Look at Phillip Rivers and even Jason White to an extent. It happens in other sports, such as soccer, even more often. It does not make the injury any worse.
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Although this is not my area of expertise, the above post mirrors my understanding.

I can still remember Olandis Gary (RB Denver Broncos) running for 100+ yards and a couple of TD's in a Monday Night Football game with torn ACL before deciding to have surgery.
 
I'm pretty sure that Rosalind Ross played without an ACL during the Sooner women's season all the way to the NC game.
 
Gary and others were the case back in the day when you could go out and do that, but in today's world of liability for injuries, the university first hand will not let a player who needs surgery go out and play. If they do, which is unlikely, they'll probably make him sign a waiver on the spot. I can't see Alex Brown knowing a kid may have an ACL injury allowing him to play. The OSU medical staff must have determined it was a non critical injury. He should have had an X-Ray or a MRI. Espcially since the ACL attaches the Femur to the Fibula. The other two attachments are the MCL and the tendon attachments that cross the thigh muscles to the calf muscles.

Ross's was discovered to not have an ACL during her playing days at OU. Very common that a lot of High School staffs who don't have certified trainers make this error. Especially in women. Add Dejaun Blair to that list.
 
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I'm pretty sure that Rosalind Ross played without an ACL during the Sooner women's season all the way to the NC game.
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If I remember correctly, the injury occurred in high school. I don't think she was ever diagnosed with a torn ACL. She passed physicals but everyone just thought it gave her problems due to the high school injury. No one knew her ACL was gone until she was drafted into the WNBA.
 
DM said:
I mean if that's the case, why is he out for the year it he's ok to play. It's contradicting to say injuries cant get worst but then he's out for the year. Since I am a semester from a Kinesiology degree, i can speak on this with some authority. To tear an ACL is tested by the range of motion in the knee. If your knee moves in degrees its not suppose to or in the sagital plane, there is something wrong. It's a pretty easy test. Obviously there was a misevaluation by the training staff or a haste to put him back into a close game. Trainers or doctors generally have the authority in this decision because ther liscense is on the line. So it either played out they screwed up in the first evaluation or they were pressured by the coach.
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He's out for the year because he's having surgery to repair the ligament. Athletes are allowed to play with torn ACL's (Grade 3) if they are able to move/cut adequately and without significant pain. That rarely happens, but if it does, then the athlete is not going to make their injury any worse by competing. Again, examples of that are Jason White, Philip Rivers and others.


The vast majority of athletes with torn ACL's have such significant instability that they cannot continue to compete well enough to help their teams. Further, they are probably experiencing troublesome pain, swelling and bruising. Therefore, they opt for surgery to insure that they are healthy for next season.


There was no "misevaluation" by the training staff or the doctor. And calling the ACL tests "easy" just shows you've never performed one. Sometimes they are easy, sometimes they are impossible to correctly interpret. That's why an MRI is performed 99.9% of the time.
 
DM said:
Gary and others were the case back in the day when you could go out and do that, but in today's world of liability for injuries, the university first hand will not let a player who needs surgery go out and play. If they do, which is unlikely, they'll probably make him sign a waiver on the spot. I can't see Alex Brown knowing a kid may have an ACL injury allowing him to play. The OSU medical staff must have determined it was a non critical injury. He should have had an X-Ray or a MRI. Espcially since the ACL attaches the Femur to the Fibula. The other two attachments are the MCL and the tendon attachments that cross the thigh muscles to the calf muscles.

Ross's was discovered to not have an ACL during her playing days at OU. Very common that a lot of High School staffs who don't have certified trainers make this error. Especially in women. Add Dejaun Blair to that list.
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X-rays do not show ligament tears. And the ACL attaches the femur to the tibia, not the fibula.


Finally, I had to laugh at your comment that a university would not allow an athlete to play who needs surgery. If that was the case, no one would have too many players by the end of the season. The student-athlete and/or his/her parents have the ultimate decision whether he/she plays or not, no one else.
 
yeah i mispoke on the bones. Also forgot the tendon name, patella.
however, there is too much risk involved in sending guys out to play with such minimal evaluation. Since i guess you have some expertise, what would you have done? Would you have tried to get a second opinion or sent him out there to play. Hindsight says second opinion. That why trainers get paid. They make those calls and usually er on the side of caution.
 
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