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‘One-and-done’ rule about to hit colleges hard

While NBA reaps benefits, many find fault in rule’s effect on NCAAs


By Ken Davis
NBCSports.com contributor
Tues., March. 23, 2010


The Kentucky Wildcats are just four victories from celebrating another NCAA basketball championship. With all due respect to the rest of the field, the odds are favorable that coach John Calipari and his talented flock of freshmen will be trimming the nets, hugging and dancing as the confetti falls April 5 in Indianapolis.

But when the party is over, it’s also easy to imagine college basketball suffering through an unusually long hangover period — because the news that follows in the hours, days and weeks after the championship game figures to be unprecedented.

We’ve seen freshmen pack their bags and head for the NBA after one season. We’ve said quick goodbyes to stars we hardly knew, including Kevin Durant at Texas and Michael Beasley at Kansas State. But if John Wall, DeMarcus Cousins and Eric Bledsoe all leave Kentucky before their championship rings can be ordered, college basketball symbolically will feel the full impact of the so-called “one-and-done” era.

That isn’t the message college basketball wants to send.

“I don’t think it’s the best way to go about things right now, to force kids who have no interest in being in college, to come to college for a year,” Georgetown coach John Thompson III said. “You’re seeing the consequences of that right now, in many ways.”

The Kentucky trio won’t be alone. Xavier Henry of Kansas, Derrick Favors of Georgia Tech and Avery Bradley of Texas are among other freshmen expected to leave school for the pros. College basketball, regardless of its new champion, is about to take a major hit. And with the NBA’s current collective bargaining agreement set to expire in 2011, it seems certain a heated debate is about to begin.

The NBA players’ union accepted the minimum-age rule in 2005, during the last collective bargaining negotiations. The rule, which went into effect in 2006, requires a non-international player to be at least 19 years old and one year out of high school before entering the draft.

The controversial change has worked to the advantage of the NBA, in terms of marketing players and scouting them. It has become a source of great disdain for college coaches.

Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski has been a leader in opposition to the rule, saying any player who is good enough should be allowed to turn pro directly out of high school. But if a player comes to college, Krzyzewski says, he should stay long enough to take the core courses that lead to a degree. The Blue Devils coach has historically resisted signing one-and-done players.

“It’s a bad rule. I think it’s a really bad rule,” Oklahoma coach Jeff Capel said. “In my opinion, it makes a mockery of education in college and also I think it’s condescending on the NBA’s part. To be honest with you, I’m not sure how much the NBA cares about college basketball. They’re in the business of making the NBA the best product they can make it. I think the NBA is happy with the way their rule is. They get to market these kids for a year (before they turn pro).”

Many coaches, including Connecticut’s Jim Calhoun and Kansas’ Bill Self, would like to see the NBA allow players to be drafted out of high school, then force those who go to college to stay three years. That model mirrors the entry rules for Major League Baseball’s amateur draft and has been endorsed by the National Association of Basketball Coaches.

For every player who is a success like Durant, the No. 2 overall pick, there’s Javaris Crittenton of Georgia Tech, who was picked No. 19 by the Lakers in 2007 and has bounced around to various teams.

Calipari, who recruited Tyreke Evans and Derrick Rose at Memphis, has been labeled a renegade for his open pursuit of one-and-done players.

“What I do is recruit the best players I can and if they’re prepared after a year to go, I influence them to go,” Calipari told the St. Petersburg (Fla.) Times. “Then you just keep reloading.”

Not every team is able to reload, however. Georgia Tech had two star freshmen in Crittenton and Thaddeus Young in 2007, but they lost in the first round of the NCAA tournament and the Yellow Jackets did not return to the NCAA tourney until this season , losing in the second round to Ohio State.

But based on the comments of several Southeastern Conference coaches, who have to compete with that approach with Calipari at Kentucky, he might not be alone any more. LSU coach Trent Johnson said it’s all about winning.

“Those guys that are one and done usually help you win a lot of games,” Johnson said at the SEC tournament. “My wife likes to shop a lot, and she likes the payroll.”

South Carolina coach Darrin Horn says if the players produce the way the Kentucky players have, “then absolutely you take those guys.” The negative, Horn says, is replacing them after they are gone.

“I think that Ohio State would look back at the time that Greg Oden and Michael Conley were there and say they made a pretty good run at the Final Four,” Tennessee coach Bruce Pearl said. “If you had a chance to do it again, would you do it again? You bet you would.”

There are hidden consequences. Oden, Conley and Daequan Cook were freshmen when they helped Ohio State reach the 2007 title game and then became first-round draft picks. All were in good academic standing, but Oden failed to complete the third-quarter term. Kosta Koufos did the same thing at Ohio State last year. As a result the Buckeyes saw the team’s Academic Progress Rate (APR) slip, and the NCAA took away two scholarships.

Kentucky could be facing monumental APR consequences if Daniel Orton joins his fellow freshmen in the NBA draft.

Johnson says if you take the risk “the other guys in your program need to be good students and need to be program guys, so to speak.” But that goes back to Capel’s comment on the educational impact — and it’s a well-known fact that the majority of players turning pro early do not attend classes after the NCAA tournament.

“Unless your university or athletic department has some sort of attendance policy, if you have a kid who knows he’s going to be in school one year, all he has to do is sign up for classes in the second semester,” Capel said. “He never has to go, unless there is some punishment if he does miss. To me, those kids are just using college for the wrong reasons.”

Capel thinks any revised rule should require players to stay in school a minimum of two years. NBA commissioner David Stern has indicated he wants to raise the minimum age to 20. But Stern became defensive in February during an appearance on the ESPN radio show hosted by Mike Greenberg and Mike Golic. On that show, Dick Vitale called on Stern to sit down with the NCAA and find a logical solution to the rule, which Vitale called an “absolute joke and fraud to the term ‘student-athlete.’ ”

“First of all, the joke that exists is an NCAA joke,” Stern said. “The idea that the NBA gets blamed for a school and a coach having a player who doesn’t go to classes in the second semester, is not the NBA’s fault. Someone better step up and take responsibility for that.”

Stern said he knows plenty of coaches who enforce attendance rules and the players are better off for it.

Asked about the criticism that the great college players stay only one year, Stern said, “Well, that’s OK with us. It’s better than coming right out (of high school) because we get a chance to see them either in the (developmental) league, in college, or in Europe playing against more elite competition. Would we like it to be two years (in school)? Sure, but what would you give to get that?

“It’s strictly a matter of collective bargaining with the players’ association. Our rule is about our business, and we can’t change it unless we negotiate with the players’ association.”

This is one rule that can’t be changed through NCAA legislation.

“And if the NBA is not on board,” Self said, “nothing is going to happen.”
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What are your thoughts should the rule be completely abolished or should they make it like the NFL and state you must be out of High School for 3 yrs, my thinking is in the middle, you must be out of high school for 2 years. This is what I would like to see, that is not to say it is right.
 
What are your thoughts should the rule be completely abolished or should they make it like the NFL and state you must be out of High School for 3 yrs, my thinking is in the middle, you must be out of high school for 2 years. This is what I would like to see, that is not to say it is right.

I think if players want to come out after High School they can...but if they choose to go to college they must stay for 2-3 yrs at least (debateable)...
 
So they give you one decent year then during the player's sophomore year they quit attending classes after ncaa tourny and you are faced with the same penalties as if they were freshmen. Seems like a crappy deal either way they rule it.
 
So they give you one decent year then during the player's sophomore year they quit attending classes after ncaa tourny and you are faced with the same penalties as if they were freshmen. Seems like a crappy deal either way they rule it.

There is no perfect resolution...but it would be much better for the Universities and College Basketball if they changed it...
 
Being a profesional athlete isn't a licensed professional career... they should be able to go "pro" (get paid) whenever they'd like to. It's not like we prevent people without business degrees from trying to open a business. Most (99%) fail, but they can try. Open up the free market for sports and stop being socialists.
 
There is no perfect resolution...but it would be much better for the Universities and College Basketball if they changed it...

I totally agree. I feel like an idiot cause I spent a day defending TMG cause I thought I saw a lot of potential and someone we could build on for a strong future. Should have just agreed with Big Old Booger and the other posters from the get go. Very disappointed and really wish I knew the attitude TMG really had...
 
I absolutely cannot stand the one and done rule. If the kids out of highschool think they are good enough for the NBA then let them go. However, if you decide to go play collegiately, then you I feel it should be like football where you haveto be 3 years removed from highschool.
 
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The solution is to come up with another place other than college for players to go before getting drafted. Right now they either go to college, make $100 a game in the NBDL, or go to Europe and play for a year or two. None of those options are very appealing to American athletes.

If a player has no interest in college basketball they should have a better option for playing in the D-league or some other professional organization and wait until they are 19.

If you had something like that, they could go out of high school into this professional organization where they work with pro's, get better, and are constantly being evaluated by pro scouts.

Or they should go to local junior colleges or prep schools out of high school and be evaluated there. The impact of a "one and done" at a prep school or junior college does not matter, and they wouldnt screw D-1 teams and make a mockery of the education process.

Bottom line is, the answer is having somewhere to go for a year other than D-1 college, Europe, or the NBDL before entering the draft.
 
The solution is to come up with another place other than college for players to go before getting drafted. Right now they either go to college, make $100 a game in the NBDL, or go to Europe and play for a year or two. None of those options are very appealing to American athletes.

If a player has no interest in college basketball they should have a better option for playing in the D-league or some other professional organization and wait until they are 19.

If you had something like that, they could go out of high school into this professional organization where they work with pro's, get better, and are constantly being evaluated by pro scouts.

Or they should go to local junior colleges or prep schools out of high school and be evaluated there. The impact of a "one and done" at a prep school or junior college does not matter, and they wouldnt screw D-1 teams and make a mockery of the education process.

Bottom line is, the answer is having somewhere to go for a year other than D-1 college, Europe, or the NBDL before entering the draft.

I agree with this, and it is something I thought would happen a few years ago. The NBA isn't going to let kids fresh out of high school go straight to the NBA, they are sick of botched draft picks and the player's association wants to protect its current members. The only thing that could possibly happen is Stern putting a two year cap for HS athletes, which would help the collegiate game immensely.

If I am Stern, I start throwing some money to pump up the D-League, make it eligible for athletes who don't want to go to college go straight to the D-League and play for a while. Basically create a viable minor league system for the pro teams, which is essentially what the D-League was created for. Problem is, there is no value in the D-League because players a step below the NBA would rather play in Europe (due to the money). That way, you keep the American players in the United States as they develop and you don't have to deal with expensive buyouts a lot of the Euro teams have.

Just a thought, could be wrong.
 
If a kid is good is good enough, let him go directly from HS otherwise one has to sign up for a four year program called "get your degree for free while playing your favorite sport"?
 
I personally love this rule. I think that a rule about accepting money from an agent should be in place...which should state, any player accepting money can not enter the NBA/d-league for 2 years and they have to pay the money back.

This one and done rule is helping the kids that would have entered the draft out of high school actually get drafted where they are suppose to be drafted. Its also keeping players in college that would have entered out of high school as well.

You can look at Scouts or Rivals top 25 since 2006 and see who would have entered out of high school and who showed that they wouldn't have made it in the nba right away and who would have made it. And who by coming to college and staying a few years has helped their draft stock. You can also look at prior to the one and done rule and see who should have came to college and who would have stayed for more than one year.

If the kids want to make money, they can go try their luck over seas. Just ask that Tyler kid that dropped out of high school to see if he made the right choice. I applaud Jennings also for going overseas.
 
I'm sorry, but I just don't feel too sorry for these coaches. They knew what they were getting into with these 'one & done' kids. You think when they were recruiting these kids since they were sophomores in high school they didn’t know these kids would bolt if given the opportunity? And they would stop going to class once they didn’t need too? It was not big secret during their recruitment that Wall, Cousins, Xhenry, Avery Bradley where very likely done after one year barring injury. I believe you could even add Tiny to that list. They are also well aware of the graduation rates they need to meet and the possible punishment. It’s risky taking a potential one n done just like it is taking a ‘troubled past’ player. And the only reason it’s done is because they are talented and could pan out reward the coach.

They chose high-risk/high-reward. Self got the High Reward in 2008 with Arthur, not quite in 2010 with Henry (although he should have).

If Calipari doesn’t win the championship this year, players bolt, he gets hits with scholarship limits due to graduation, and becomes mediocre for a couple years, make those crazy Kentucky fans unhappy, then he’ll probably think twice about doing it again. Actually he wouldn’t, he'll go to another team and do the same; but others at least would.

If you don't want players that leave after the first year then you don't offer them a scholarship. Let others take the high risk/high reward.
 
If you don't want players that leave after the first year then you don't offer them a scholarship. Let others take the high risk/high reward.

There is no real way to identify these guys in advance. Unfortunately, 90% of them think they are good enough to be one and done. In truth, the number who are good enough is probably closer to 5%.
 
There is no real way to identify these guys in advance. Unfortunately, 90% of them think they are good enough to be one and done. In truth, the number who are good enough is probably closer to 5%.

and to make things worse, all players think they have a shot at the NBA (at some point)...as silly as that sounds...where does that come from? people in their ear mostly and some just seeing others make it relatively close to them...

Hell, i thought i was gonna be there...i had that pumped into my head in juco and didnt help when a teammate of mine made it...i bet if you asked Playmkr he would say the same thing, especially since he was playing at the D1 level...

Reality, VERY FEW DO...but still the problem remains...makes it that much harder as a coach to identify who the real "team" players are...
 
and to make things worse, all players think they have a shot at the NBA (at some point)...as silly as that sounds...where does that come from? people in their ear mostly and some just seeing others make it relatively close to them...

Hell, i thought i was gonna be there...i had that pumped into my head in juco and didnt help when a teammate of mine made it...i bet if you asked Playmkr he would say the same thing, especially since he was playing at the D1 level...

Reality, VERY FEW DO...but still the problem remains...makes it that much harder as a coach to identify who the real "team" players are...
I agree with you that you can't always know, but i think its a pretty high percentage that coaches do. Most of the players being talked above are all ones that when they were recruited were considered 'one n done' (Wall, Cousins, even XHenry). It wasn't a big secret. I know there are exceptions but I don't believe its really that high of a percentage (i could be wrong) and not what all of those coaches are complaining about. And i don't think the issue is big enough to start adding all of these rules and creating a seperate league.

Self didn't approach Henry with "i'm going to do everything i can to get you into the NBA, but i expect you not to leave to the NBA till after your sophmore year." He wanted Henry to win a championship and also for him not to go to another team; so he took the risk.

I know all of this puts a lot of pressure on the coaches/universities, but its better then shifting more to the 17/18 yr olds, who in many cases haven't been getting the best advice already. Its not as if they don’t pay prices for mistakes they make (don’t make grades = you don’t get in college, don’t make grades freshman year and don’t get drafted = then you’ll be enjoying basketball in the Ukraine)
 
I agree with this, and it is something I thought would happen a few years ago. The NBA isn't going to let kids fresh out of high school go straight to the NBA, they are sick of botched draft picks and the player's association wants to protect its current members. The only thing that could possibly happen is Stern putting a two year cap for HS athletes, which would help the collegiate game immensely.

Stern definitely wants to be able to stretch out the rule to two or three years, but he had to fight tooth and nail to get the one from the player's association in the last collective bargaining agreement. As long as Stern is commish, they aren't going to let high school players back in the draft.

The NBA would love to be able to scout these guys for 3 years rather than just 1. The longer they have to watch them develop against top competition (at least compared to high school), the less likely they they are to make a mistake that will affect their organization for years.

Not only that, but being in college a few years is much better for player's development as people than them becoming instant millionaires at 18 years old. Stern knows these things. It's just not as simple as saying, "Oh yeah, make 'em stay for 2 years." He has to get the players association to agree to it and they aren't biting for the idea.
 
There are hidden consequences. Oden, Conley and Daequan Cook were freshmen when they helped Ohio State reach the 2007 title game and then became first-round draft picks. All were in good academic standing, but Oden failed to complete the third-quarter term. Kosta Koufos did the same thing at Ohio State last year. As a result the Buckeyes saw the team’s Academic Progress Rate (APR) slip, and the NCAA took away two scholarships.
LLLLLLLLOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL at the NCAA. What a joke.
 
All of this one and done and thug basketball can be stopped in about 1 minute. Stop giving scholarships for sports, stop giving exceptions for entry for sports. If you enroll and want to play sports and you meet the requirements for that school, fine, have fun, but keep your grades at the 2.5 level. No exceptions, no excuses.
 
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